The name of the Lucifer Cannon

[Nux]

I'm just happy Gil-Galad can structure sentences. It would be far too easy to dismiss his argument if he posted with the same level of competence as most such threads are prone to have.

The problem seems to be that Gil-Galad comes from 'polite society'. 'Polite society' happens to be the breeding ground for 'political correctness'. This is the idea that somehow people you don't know should be treated with more care and consideration than those friends you like to set fire to. Your friends know you're only joking and will happily play along, but not everyone is like your friends. You might even know this and say "Screw the strangers, I have plenty of firewood already". You continue to burn your buddies and passersby till soon enough the police arrive at which point you decide you're bored with this luxurious life and runoff to the hills to live the remainder of your life in a damp cave, burning Owls and small furry animals.

Of course political correctness has it's ugly side. The one where people aren't allowed to set fire to anything in case someone might object to it. Fires are then only started in an intimate setting between consenting adults. The world is harmonious for a couple of hours then explodes into panic when the sun comes up...

[Syntac]

Bottom line: Don't expect anything or anyone to be polite or politically correct here.

[Ellohir]

With "Improper sexual references" I meant that you have learnt what 69 was here. And having sex only for pleasure is a capital sin (just in case you didn't know).

I don't say I don't like your opinion! I say that, if you think that name stuff is important, you just shoudn't bother playing. You may learn other sinful things. And people ingame can be so awfully rude... I even read a blasphemy! I went to church and prayed for five hours until God removed that sentence from my memory.

PS: I'm not trying to insult but to show you how stupid this issue can be. That means: yes, I'm being sarcastic.
PS2: I mean... It's just a weapon name! People shouldn't be afraid of such thing!

[benmachine]

Bottom line: Don't expect anything or anyone to be polite or politically correct here.

You should totally run the tourist department here.

"Come to our forum! Filled exclusively with hatred and vitriol! Expect only anger and suffering!"

^ that is totally you am I right I think I am.

[Kaine]

While I agree the term "Lucifer Cannon" could be potentially offensive to some people, there is an easy answer:

If you are offended by it, don't play the game.  There are plenty of games out there that are non-offensive.  Just walk away, and find a different one.

[Bissig]

--- snip "quote tower" ---

You still miss the point:

If such nonsense as a name already is enough to offend you, then this forums are definitely too much for your weak heart and stomach. F.e. the gayporn story "Who" posted about the beginning of the Tremulous universe. Or other explicit content. No one cares if your offended by it or not. But if it is too much you should go to some other forums which cater to "Jesus loving Folk" or are more "pure".

Also, I suggest your parents get an Internet Filter to save you from the horrors of the world.

[Kaine]

Quote tower faggotry.

While I appreciate you posting the exact same thing I did, only 50 times longer, more offensive, and less exciting to read... 

I'm highly amused by your bigotry and lack of "tolerance."  It's one thing to run someone off of the forums for disliking an aspect of the game the forums center around, but it's quite another to start attacking his religion, and using personal insults simply because he has an ethical question.

You're walking that fine line that so few can: You're unable to post any content of merit, but you're also a shitty troll.

Failing that hard takes talent, so here, have a trophy.

[Bissig]

Show me one line or word where I insulted him.

[mooseberry]

hmm it's also edited.. just wanted to point that out.

[Bissig]

hmm it's also edited.. just wanted to point that out.

I edited out the "quote tower" which seemed very important to him.

[mooseberry]

Just saying you can't prove what you edited out...

But I don't want to get involved in anything silly so whatever.

[Kaine]

Too late man, you're committed.

[Kaleo]

--- snip "quote tower" ---

You still miss the point:

If such nonsense as a name already is enough to offend you, then this forums are definitely too much for your weak heart and stomach. F.e. the gayporn story "Who" posted about the beginning of the Tremulous universe. Or other explicit content. No one cares if your offended by it or not. But if it is too much you should go to some other forums which cater to "Jesus loving Folk" or are more "pure".

Also, I suggest your parents get an Internet Filter to save you from the horrors of the world.

This might harden you up then.

SATAN

[Kaine]

SATAN

^I fixed your link for you.

[Kaleo]

SATAN

^I fixed your link for you.

0. K.

I'm going to take that as a complement.
AS AN INDICATION OF THE HEAVIEST PERSON ON THESE FORUMS.

I can has custom badge noaw?

[Kaine]

If you are reading this, I am already dead, and on my way to hell.  I leave with you my last Will and Testament.  My Estate and belongings are to be divided as follows:

To Steely Ann, my bereaved lover, I leave "Spanky the SmileyDildo™."  May he provide comfort for you on many a cold night, when I am not there to warm you.

To Player1, my friend and ally, I leave my autographed Sarah Palin barbie.  I know she's your favorite.

To Lava Croft, my dearest mentor and father figure I leave my mousy brown toupee.  I'm certain he'll put it to better use than I ever did.

And finally to Kaleo, my future landlord in a much warmer climate.  To you sir, I bequeeth my most prized posession of all.  I ask that you cherish it, and accept it as a goodwill bribe to let me out a few millenia early, if it so pleases you.  I give to you my platinum "Iron Maiden" Devil badge.  Treat her with love.



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Farewell cruel world!

[Ellohir]

How to destroy a thread:

1.- Find a fight
2.- Call someone "troll" (so everyone knows it's not you)
3.- One feeds each other.
4.- PROFIT!

[Ingar]

"lucifer" means "match" in Dutch.
(you know, the little wooden stick you can use to start a fire)
I'm offended by the idea that someone could be offended by this.

[Syntac]

Everyone fails. Good night.

[David]

I'm offended by the idea that someone could be offended by this.

If you try to please everybody, you will please nobody.  Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, does mean you shouldn't try too hard.
IMO one complaint from millions of players is good going.

[Kaine]

If you try to please everybody, you will please nobody.  Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, does mean you shouldn't try too hard.
IMO one complaint from millions of players is good going.

+1 Karma for that one.  Even though you were the first person to ever flame me on Tremulous.net... 

[Gil-Galad]

If I would state my position on every insult and personal attack that has been made since my last post, it would go beyond the scope of this article. It just seems to me that some of you have a rather strange image of religion.....

@Bissig: Your only intention seems to be to offend me and to lead away of the original thread. As I said before, your articles are evidence of your ignorance and your inability to accept and discuss an opinion, apart from your own.

Bottom line: Don't expect anything or anyone to be polite or politically correct here.

I disagree with you - there are many people here, who are obviously able to discuss an opinion rather polite and objective - you included. But unfortunately, there are others, like Bissig, whose aim seems to be to erase every opinion contrary to their own.

If you try to please everybody, you will please nobody.  Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, does mean you shouldn't try too hard.
IMO one complaint from millions of players is good going.

Maybe I am just the only one who had enough courage to say that he doesn't like the name "Lucifer Cannon" - I could understand that, after all the insults and personal attacks I got....

I just tried to explain my opinion and I tried to do this in a polite and factual way. The name of the Lucifer Cannon won't stop me from playing Tremulous, which does not mean that I like it after all - the opposite is true: It still annoys me, but as it seems that I am the only one who has a problem with that, it won't change....

[Syntac]

You were very sensible for not immediately starting an enormous flamewar just because a few people trolled you. I respect that, and everyone else should too.

Don't be so harsh on Bissig. It's just that he has very little tolerance for anything he perceives as stupid — which, unfortunately, seems to include your take on the Lucifer Cannon issue.

[Annihilation]

Show me one line or word where I insulted him.

I'm having trouble finding one line that isn't insulting or agressive.

[Syntac]

Powa, Powa, Powa...

Please don't continue it, that's what he wants.

[Survivor]

Go on topic people. Else I won't be nice.

[Ellohir]

Galad I know your religion says "don't take God's name in vain", but it doesn't say the same about the name of the Fallen (unless you prove me wrong). In fact, I think the Bible said that the devil is strong but never as strong as a human can be (I can't remember where was that, but I heard it on the Church). By that it means that, anyone opposing to Lucifer will stand forever, and the only necessary thing is the force of will.

I do really think that anyone caring about the name is really opposing Lucifer. So I guess there is no problem to anyone's soul.


PS: I'm allways talking about Catholic Church, my parent's religion and the only one I've been taught about.
PS2: And yes, I became atheist but I'll never forget my childhood lessons

[player1]

Laser Ultra-Capacitance Infrared Frequency Energy Reaction

@OP: I think the word you are looking for is satanic, not "satanistic". Also, please consider what is actually meant by referring to something as satanic, what the origin of the term is, and any inherited apprehensions or unexamined connotations of the term you may have swallowed whole.

Perhaps "Jesus-Loves-You-Now-Let's-Send-Your-Soul-to-Burn-in-Hell-for-All-Eternity-You-Godless-Alien-Monstrosity Cannon" just wouldn't fit in the Armory menu.

But really, shouldn't all weapons be named for the Devil? Doesn't their very use defy God's own Sixth Commandment? Harm none, yet do as you will.

I say repent now, and stay away from virtual video violence in the future. It's bad for the soul.

Welcome to the forums. First Quake-based game? Mostly they are filled with demons, gore, disrespectful behavior, and the kind of people who listen to heavy metal music. You may be offended by more than just words, but remember: God is testing you. Surrender to His authority and accept your suffering in humble servitude.

Or, as St. Francis said, and you paraphrased above: You may have to learn to accept that which you cannot change.

Cheers!

P.S. Maybe you can just refer to it as a Luci Cannon, and forget the dreaded origin of the name, which is probably either a pun, the euhemerization of some Goddess (Ishtar, Astarte, Asherah) or just the misapprehension of older traditions by the early Church syncretists (or what is more likely, a combination of the three effects). An astronomical, punning, or cultic reference has become lodged in translated scripture, often after the original meaning of the individual letters that make up the phoneme has been lost, or the phoneme becomes represented by a purely phonetic combination, representing only the sound of the word, and not its inherent meaning. Such punning was extremely common in ancient times, as were many astronomical references in cultic and mythological tales. I refer you to any chart of Phoenician and Hebrew letters for the meanings of the original West Semitic characters. Also, demonization of the gods of other peoples is the main business of theologians and clerics. Consider the possible reasons for demonizing a cult of the Morning/Evening Star (the widespread Goddess cult which was subsumed into worship of the later patriarchal sky-gods). I further refer you to the works of Martin Bernal and Marija Gimbutas, as well as to the Gathas of Zarathushtra, the mythology of Ancient Greece, or any book on Wicca. Enjoy.

Lux Cannon?

Beat your Plasma Rifle into a Hoverplow. Stop the Anti-Alien Aggression. Hug a cuddwy gwanga today.

@Kaine's ghost: You mean she's not mint, in the package? I'll always wonder where she's been. Nevertheless, I accept your kind gift, sir. And all I got you was President Ackerman's autobiography. P.S. Stop haunting me.



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[Kaleo]

And finally to Kaleo, my future landlord in a much warmer climate.  To you sir, I bequeeth my most prized posession of all.  I ask that you cherish it, and accept it as a goodwill bribe to let me out a few millenia early, if it so pleases you.  I give to you my platinum "Iron Maiden" Devil badge.  Treat her with love.



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Farewell cruel world!

Awwwww Hell yeah!

It appears, Sir, that we have struck a deal.

[daenyth]

In an effort to be constructive, since this thread is going nowhere fast:

Gil, you are totally free to patch the client and change the name of the weapon to anything you like. It shouldn't take much, just add a string replacement on every message which would be displayed on screen, it shouldn't take more than that.