The name of the Lucifer Cannon

[Kaleo]

Finding unpure servers may be an issue; I'm not sure whether SST is still up (I haven't played in ages, and when I did, it wasn't on SST).

[Bissig]

SST is very much still up.

[khalsa]

Man, glad we haven't released the name of the updated lcannon for 1.2 - The Your-Religion-sucks Cannon (bind yrscannon)

[kevlarman]

Man, glad we haven't released the name of the updated lcannon for 1.2 - The Your-Religion-sucks Cannon (bind yrscannon)

ysosrscannon

[Nux]

How about the Cannons-Actually-Need-No-Offensive-Names Cannon?

[rotacak]

BloodyGodKiller Cannon would be better. But should be more stronger, because "God" stupefy many milions people. Instead of some small almost unknown "Lucifer"

[Overdose]

CAHAAWAcannon has a nice ring to it.
Conservative - Anti-Homosexual - Anti-Abortion - White - American Cannon

Bland Cannon is nice too. Actually, I find cannon to be offensive as well. It should be called the "normal sized regular power shooting device of happyness" - NSRPSD. (HappYness because of that Will Smith movie)

[player1]

I think we should all just stop spending our credits at the Armory, anyway. If we save up we can start our own commune/ashram/compound/free-love-and-hemp-based-society, where the Clones of Ked Ambrit and the Eggspawn from Space can live together in peace and harmony. We're only perpetuating the cycle of violence. Love thine enemy, turn the other cheek, beat your sword into a plowshare and hug a cuddly granger today!

Words. If you get caught up in them, you will find out they are still just words. The only power they have is the power you give them.

[cactusfrog]

Player1 can i plz have your brain?

[Gil-Galad]

In an effort to be constructive, since this thread is going nowhere fast:

Gil, you are totally free to patch the client and change the name of the weapon to anything you like. It shouldn't take much, just add a string replacement on every message which would be displayed on screen, it shouldn't take more than that.

Yes, I think this is the best solution - but as I am not so versed at such things, can you please send me a fool-proof guide how to do this?

Some seem to have misunderstood why I object to the name of the Lucifer Cannon. It is not because I fear to loose my faith or such a thing - it is because in Catholicism you shouldn't joke about Lucifer (because if you joke about something, you don't take it seriously).

As it seems to me that there has been said everything that has to be said, I think that it is time to end this discussion. I thank everyone who tried to be polite and constructive.

finis

[Archangel]

let's just say it's a belgian-made weapon.

[gimhael]

Yes, I think this is the best solution - but as I am not so versed at such things, can you please send me a fool-proof guide how to do this?

Well, nothing is foolproof, but you have to download the sources and have to edit the following files:

src/game/bg_misc.c: search for "lcannon" (including the quotes) and change that to "bbuster", and in the following line change "Lucifer Cannon" to "Base Buster".
src/cgame/cg_event.c: search for "'s lucifer cannon" and change to "'s base buster" (this appears twice in the file !).
ui/infopanes.def.h: search for "Lucifer Cannon\n\n" and change to "Base Buster\n\n".
ui/help.txt: search for Lucifer Cannon and replace with Base Buster (2x).

Then compile the project by running make in the top directory and you will get a new cgame.qvm in the folder build/release-<something>/base/vm.
Then you can use this cgame.qvm to replace the cgame.qvm in the vms-1.1.0.pk3 (this is just a zip file with a different extension).
The files ui/infopanes.def and ui/help.txt have to be placed directly in your data-1.1.0.pk3.

You will not be able to connect to pure servers, because they'll see that you have a modified client and assume that you might be cheating. Also the name lucifer cannon / lcannon will still be used in the game engine, but all the user-visible strings will be pure.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

may i recommend a swift eastern european solution: cover the texts with some ducktape on the monitor! ;-)

[player1]

[Ellohir]

Some seem to have misunderstood why I object to the name of the Lucifer Cannon. It is not because I fear to loose my faith or such a thing - it is because in Catholicism you shouldn't joke about Lucifer (because if you joke about something, you don't take it seriously).

Where's the joke on "Lucifer cannon"? I will take ok that you consider putting his name into a weapon isn't too "serious and respectable", but it isn't like we call it "the good old lucifer" or something like that.

I think you take this far more serious than it really is. But well, I will go to hell if I write "I shit on god" so I guess words are really important on that religion.

EDIT: This is my last post on this thread, because I sound like a troll when I try to make you take it less serious 

[Nux]

I can understand if complacency toward The Devil is frowned upon in your faith but you've shown that you are not complacent. I'm curious why is it important that others know you aren't complacent? Surely the matter is no secret to God so you're only defending peoples opinion of you.

Also, would it be improper to use the Devils name in fiction so long as he is presented as a serious evil?

Would it be acceptable for him to be overtly homosexual in this fiction?

How about if he were a space pirate?

[Seffylight]

How about if he were a space pirate?

I'd read that book.

[techhead]

Other possible names:
"Kill-Frag Cannon" (KFC)
"Glowy Yellow Ball Cannon" (GYBC)
"Boom-Stick" (BS)
"Big Beeping Boom Ball Cannon" (BBBBC)
"The Cannon With The Formerly Politically Incorrect Name That Was Changed As It Could Not Be Mentioned In Public Without Insulting Some Of The More Sensitive Members Of The Tremulous Community" (TCWTFPINTWCAICNBMIPWISOTMSMOTTC)

[khalsa]

I go with TCWTFPINTWCAICNBMIPWISOTMSMOTTC

[kevlarman]

the people responsible for sacking the namers of the lucifer cannon have been sacked.

[mooseberry]

We apologise for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible have been
sacked.


Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...


We apologise again for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible for sacking
the people who have just been sacked,
have been sacked.

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[Kaleo]

We apologise for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible have been
sacked.


Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...


We apologise again for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible for sacking
the people who have just been sacked,
have been sacked.

'
 

One of the greatest movies of our time.

[Paradox]

Beware of stranger-dangers and sinister-ministers.

[Gil-Galad]

@gimhael: Thank you for your help.

@Ellohir: Yes, maybe you are right and I take this too serious... - but I just don't want to use the name of Lucifer without need... - and not the words are important, but the meanings of words. 

@Nux: I wanted to get to know the opinion of other people first and foremost and I wanted to know either, if anyone here shares my opinion. - That is the reason why I expressed my view... not because I wanted to show that I am not complacent as you called it.


And now please let us put an end to this discussion.

[Nux]

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you brought it up. It's fun to talk about what is considered offensive and what is not. I fully understand that you simply wanted to hear other opinions about the matter.

I just find it interesting that a person can be offended by something because it gives the impression that someone else doesn't care about it.

Unlike in science, where if I say Global warming is fiction it can be countered with evidence and feelings generally won't be hurt, in matters of faith there is no evidence. This might make it slightly more frustrating. Surely in this case this is a good test of the strength of your faith and conviction.

Now I'll await the reprisal after announcing my latest invention: The "GlobalWarming Cannon". I might offend some environmentalists but I see that as a necessary evil.

[epsy]

If you want to prove your faith in what you believe in, there's really more useful stuff to do(people are dieing because of starvation, dude) than bashing a weapon name from a stupid first-person shooter...

PS: p1: oh yeah and don't forget to never ever lend money to anyone, eh

[hymn]

I hate religious fanatics.

He's playing a game where the entire purpose is to kill your opponent.

What a hypocrit.......

Although I can't say I hate you, I can personally say that it is pretty annoying. If you're so down about such a name, then why are you playing these kind of games.

First off, if you feel offended by such a minor thing, then you shouldn't be on here.
Right now, you're on the internet, where 2 sites on 3 is about porn or deals around porn.
And as a friendly gesture I'll advise you to never EVER get near mIrc.

Secondly, good luck finding a politically correct game, because those are VERY rare, in fact such a thing is impossible, because anything that might not be offensive to you, might be offensive to another person in the world. There are more religions in this world than you can count, and so many different people that you just can't please everyone.

Finally I'd like to leave with a little message to the other people who want a good laugh. Some parts were left out so people don'T know where its from and so they don't rape him for fun bolded text is a point out from me

I found problems in the game ********* that is need to be solve. (please look at my screenshot or picture attachment in this e-mail.)As you can see in my screenshot, there are names and words in the game ********* that are
satanic, demonic, offensive and inappropiate for the gamers and users of *********. The satanic, demonic and inapprotpiate words that I am saying are the quest item rewards like the demonic gloves 'DEMON HAND', the satanic sword 'DEMON BRINGER', the demonic sacrifial quest item 'Devil's Dictionary'. I respectfully and sincerely suggest to please change these demonic names into non-demonic names, for example change the demonic name 'DEMON HAND' into a non-demonic name 'DARK HAND', change the demonic name 'DEMON BRINGER' to into non-demonic name 'SHADOW BRINGER', change the demonic name 'DEVIL'S DICTIONARY' into non-demonic name 'MYSTIC DICTIONARY'.I am sure that we can find words and names that are not demonic to use in the game *********.
I hope you dont get angry why I suggest to change the names, items, characters, and any other objects in your game. I just suggest this kind of request because we must follow our good religious belief like buddhism, christianity, muslim and any other good religion.
According to our good religion teachings like buddhism, christianity, and other good religion, the names and words devil, demon, witch, warlock, necromancer, evil spirit and any other demonic names are very evil and against our good religion. Please imagine this, if we players uses the items, quest, skills, characters, npc and any other objects that has demonic names,
we players are like servants of the devil. Gamers using objects that have demonic names in your game is against our good religious belief like buddhism, christianity, muslim, and any other good
religion. Im sure all of us players want to change the demonic names and words existing your game because all of us in the world including you company believes in good religion like buddhism, christianity and many other good religion. In order to change the objects, items, skills and many more that has demonic names in the game into non-demonic names or words,
we must create a new patch or update to change the demonic names in the game.
I know that your company is very wise and hard working to change the demonic names in the game into non-demonic names. Im sure most of the gamers will agree and be happy if you change these
demonic names into non-demonic names because all of us people in this world believe in good religion like christianity, buddhism, and many more good religions.
I dont say that your company are very evil, I know that your company are very good and wise. I think this is just a little mistake by some of your employee but this mistake of naming objects
with demonic names can be corrected by changing the demonic names objects of the game into something better to follow the rules of our good religion, even your company believes in good religion like buddhism, christianity and many other good religion.
I hope you understand my good reason. I hope and pray that your good company will be good and wise to change the the demonic names in your game into something better with the help of god in heaven. I also hope if your company is planning to add some demonic names in ********* and other in development projects in the future, please change them into non-satanic names before the problem gets worst.
In return, you have my support and my assistance. Never will I use hacks and cheats in *********. Never will I advertise illegal private server of ********* here in our cyber cafe or internet cafe. I will spend my money to buy items at the item shop of *********.
Please reply to me if you time, I will patiently wait for your reply.
My email is *********@hotmail.com or *********@hotmail.com or *********@yahoo.com
Sorry for my poor english grammar if there is any.
Thank you very much, sincerely yours, god in heaven bless you always.

Oh boy

[Nux]

I don't believe I've ever read a block of text with so little information per word.

To summarize: I have a problem with your usage of demonic terms and I can suggest alternatives. Everybody loves religion! Please do this for me, my religion and all the people in the entire world. If you do this I won't commit crimes against you.

[Bissig]

And since it is adressing all religions it is probably written by some poor sod that has to support some game. So, he wrote the end-user version of the "Dear customer/taxpayer/god, please let me tell how much..."

[Chess guy]

IMHO anybody who has to stoop down to insulting peoples set of moral principles and religion is an overall pathetic being.