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Author Topic: Just for the record: Dretch Storm  (Read 12365 times)
tehOen
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« on: July 21, 2007, 09:17:35 AM »

I didnt asked for svn or help. Providing a patch does not take 6 months.
It is not illegal but it shows how much respect you have for Tremulous
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 09:40:10 AM »
Quote from: "tehOen"

I didnt asked for svn or help. Providing a patch does not take 6 months.
It is not illegal but it shows how much respect you have for Tremulous


you're point ish?
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 02:14:35 PM »
His point is that Ghostshell was and still is highly inconsiderate towards Tremulous and the Tremulous community by not releasing the source to his patches. I actually think it's a good thing though because most of his changes are retarded, and it's good that they only run on one retarded server, instead of a whole bunch.

Let them do what they want, what they play is not Tremulous.


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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 05:13:46 PM »
Quote from: "khalsa"
His point is that Ghostshell was and still is highly inconsiderate towards Tremulous and the Tremulous community by not releasing the source to his patches. I actually think it's a good thing though because most of his changes are retarded, and it's good that they only run on one retarded server, instead of a whole bunch.

Let them do what they want, what they play is not Tremulous.


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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 06:09:48 PM »
aside from what they did to luci, and that rampage bs, i like d*s mod...
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2007, 08:01:49 PM »
Quote from: "khalsa"
His point is that Ghostshell was and still is highly inconsiderate towards Tremulous and the Tremulous community by not releasing the source to his patches. I actually think it's a good thing though because most of his changes are retarded, and it's good that they only run on one retarded server, instead of a whole bunch.

Let them do what they want, what they play is not Tremulous.


Khalsa

Not here to cause any shit, it seems that the mod is very very popular and it attracts lots of people, just cause you don't get your way does not mean you have to whine about it.  You may think that what he did was retarded but I have to say he did a damn good job to what he did, I do not agree with some of the shit he did, but the mod seems very nice to me.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2007, 08:14:01 PM »
isnt ghostshells brother devilfrog or something like that the one that actually codes all this crap and then ghost just takes credit for it...?

i thought i heard this somewhere

and oblivion, im pretty sure d*s is only popular because

1. its at the top of the server list
2. it seems to give almost everyone a good ping
3. it has a fairly low skill level, and a fairly high playercount, making it an optimal place to just run around killwhoring
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2007, 08:22:48 PM »
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isnt ghostshells brother devilfrog or something like that the one that actually codes all this crap and then ghost just takes credit for it...?

I think its the other way around.  I think his brother hosts the shit and Ghost is the tech guy.
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2007, 08:28:15 PM »
Quote from: "Oblivion"
Quote from: "khalsa"
His point is that Ghostshell was and still is highly inconsiderate towards Tremulous and the Tremulous community by not releasing the source to his patches. I actually think it's a good thing though because most of his changes are retarded, and it's good that they only run on one retarded server, instead of a whole bunch.

Let them do what they want, what they play is not Tremulous.


Khalsa

Not here to cause any shit, it seems that the mod is very very popular and it attracts lots of people, just cause you don't get your way does not mean you have to whine about it.  You may think that what he did was retarded but I have to say he did a damn good job to what he did, I do not agree with some of the shit he did, but the mod seems very nice to me.
Yea not to mention denying the source code is a violation of the GNU General Public License v2, which Tremulous is covered under. If you make a modification, you must provide the source code. No exceptions.
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2007, 08:31:36 PM »
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Yea not to mention denying the source code is a violation of the GNU General Public License v2, which Tremulous is covered under. If you make a modification, you must provide the source code. No exceptions.
wrong, tremulous is not covered by the affero gpl, they are under no responsibility to distribute modifications if they don't distribute binaries.
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2007, 09:22:54 PM »
Quote from: "n00b pl0x"
aside from what they did to luci, and that rampage bs, i like d*s mod...
what did they do to the luci?
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2007, 10:08:11 PM »
secondary fire is 30 ammo

every time you see a tyrant, you charge up a shot, and it runs away, you have to remember not to hit secondary because instead of blowing 8-9 ammo, youll waste 30.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007, 10:59:19 PM »
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secondary fire is 30 ammo

every time you see a tyrant, you charge up a shot, and it runs away, you have to remember not to hit secondary because instead of blowing 8-9 ammo, youll waste 30.
THAT IS FUCKED UP!!!!

I hope that to compensate, either bsuits need like 10 hits from tyr or that 30 ammo shot knocks the target all the way back to base.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007, 11:05:12 PM »
nope, its a normal secondary shot. it just costs 30x more because ghost is ... "special"

evilz tried to tell me it was to reduce camping and spamming it, because apparently people would sit in base in teams and spam up hallways with secondary and you couldnt get through >_>

i told him to just nerf the secondary shot to like dealing 15 damage, and change it back to 1 ammo, but nope...
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007, 01:28:26 AM »
heh. i never use secondary anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2007, 01:44:05 AM »
i always use it to save my ammo Sad
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2007, 02:18:49 AM »
On this topic of people complaining about a server, I have a couple things to say being a server owner myself.

To all those who play on servers you do not own: DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WAY SERVERS HAVE THINGS SET!

Ive seen all these people complain about ping, or the people are to skilled, or SD comes to quick. Who makes you play in these servers?

To everyone who doens't like D*S and their Mod, simply don't play there. Sure its convenient to just click near the top of the list, but why not scroll down a bit and find a server YOU like.

It seems stupid, no one makes you play in a server, so why play if your not going to be ok with a mod. Quit fucking complaining.

I realize im repeating a bit, but it is to stress the fact that no one forces you to play in a server so you shouldn't be complaining.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2007, 04:45:18 AM »
I pm'd GhostShell in-game, with about the same result: he was overly rude, and refused to "Do me a favor" because he "Didn't know me".  I asked him why he wouldn't do me the favor, he simply replied "I don't do favors for people I don't know."
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2007, 07:52:56 AM »
Quote from: "n00b pl0x"
nope, its a normal secondary shot. it just costs 30x more because ghost is ... "special"

evilz tried to tell me it was to reduce camping and spamming it, because apparently people would sit in base in teams and spam up hallways with secondary and you couldnt get through >_>

i told him to just nerf the secondary shot to like dealing 15 damage, and change it back to 1 ammo, but nope...
Why not lock the secondary attack while the first is being held?
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2007, 05:18:02 PM »
im with ghostshell on this one, he has every right to ignore or be rude to such whiney zealots (not that ive seen any evidence he _was_ rude).
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2007, 07:11:38 PM »
As many of you have said before, he's a server owner, and he can do whatever he damn well pleases in his server. If you don't like it, shuttup and don't go there.
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2007, 07:24:28 PM »
Quote from: "gareth"
im with ghostshell on this one, he has every right to ignore or be rude to such whiney zealots (not that ive seen any evidence he _was_ rude).


Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
As many of you have said before, he's a server owner, and he can do whatever he damn well pleases in his server. If you don't like it, shuttup and don't go there.


Quote from: "tehOen"
It is not illegal but it shows how much respect you have for Tremulous
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2007, 10:03:45 PM »
He's making it, doesn't that show he has respect for Tremulous? He didnt seem too rude in his post either. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps he is telling the truth and your assumptions, and they are only assumptions, are wrong? Probably not, because if you were wrong, you'd look like a complete and total ass, wouldn't you? Just hack his harddrive and rip the source.  :roll:

I don't mind their server, but damn to their forums piss me off. I don't like how the subject automatically changes to the first five or so words of the post. Bugs me shitless. But, let's not turn this (more-so) into a  "Let's Flame D*S" topic.
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 12:54:43 AM »
So don't play there.  It's not tremulous anyways, so no lose.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2007, 01:48:45 AM »
Wow, I'm VERY surprised that ghostshell won't release his source code to a bunch of whiney D*S-bashers. Seriously people, ghostshell is trying to make playing Tremulous a better experience; don't bash him for making changes just because you like them. ghostshell's reply in the original post doesn't strike me as exceedingly rude. In fact, what seems rude is the brief request (more like a demand) for the source code. Maybe next time, at least bother to type out "Thank you" when asking him to release something that he has spent a good deal of time working on and is (presumably) very important to him.

As for other requests for the source that he supposedly responded rudely too: ghostshell is probably bombarded with these, and it's only a matter of time before his replies start sounding annoyed and even rude. If he doesn't want to release his source right now, leave him be.

This just occurred to me... why do you want the source so bad if you hate the mod?
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2007, 04:11:09 AM »
shit-stirrer with a long-handled spoon, perhaps?
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2007, 05:37:32 AM »
How about this: It is his code. He spent hours writing it (or had someone do it for him). He's spent hours working on D*S. They are his modifications, and not yours. He, in no sense, legal or moral, has to give them out. If you think that by posting here you'll get it faster, or period for that matter, you are wrong. If I was him, I wouldnt let you have the source for the simple fact that you attempted to back him into a corner. To me, your actions honestly sound like that of a jerk. It seems as though your attempt was to start a flame war against ghostshell. You say that he 'doesnt have much respect for tremulous'...When, in all truth, he has probably done more for tremulous then you have or will ever.
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2007, 05:53:52 AM »
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How about this: It is his code. He spent hours writing it (or had someone do it for him). He's spent hours working on D*S. They are his modifications, and not yours. He, in no sense, legal or moral, has to give them out. If you think that by posting here you'll get it faster, or period for that matter, you are wrong. If I was him, I wouldnt let you have the source for the simple fact that you attempted to back him into a corner. To me, your actions honestly sound like that of a jerk. It seems as though your attempt was to start a flame war against ghostshell. You say that he 'doesnt have much respect for tremulous'...When, in all truth, he has probably done more for tremulous then you have or will ever.


QF-freakin'-T, baby!
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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2007, 09:08:19 AM »
Quote from: "Confess"
How about this: It is his code. He spent hours writing it (or had someone do it for him). He's spent hours working on D*S. They are his modifications, and not yours. He, in no sense, legal or moral, has to give them out. If you think that by posting here you'll get it faster, or period for that matter, you are wrong. If I was him, I wouldnt let you have the source for the simple fact that you attempted to back him into a corner. To me, your actions honestly sound like that of a jerk. It seems as though your attempt was to start a flame war against ghostshell. You say that he 'doesnt have much respect for tremulous'...When, in all truth, he has probably done more for tremulous then you have or will ever.


what about the tremulous code
it is based on quake3 source code is dedicated to public
timbo also coded lots of things for ioquake3 and tremulous
and lots of other people made contributions
they spent hours? days? years?
and all this code belongs to the public
now you say that "He's spent hours working on D*S. They are his modifications, and not yours."

and fyi I don't even know what the modifications are, so I dont want his code for myself but everyone
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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2007, 10:27:03 AM »
That still does not mean that there are any legal or social obligations to release the code. To clarify, there are no legal obligations because creating a closed-source mod does not violate the GPL since the mod does not include tremulous or IOQ3 code. There are no social obligations since the licensing terms of the code are the decision of the copyright holder(s), and not "everyone's".

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what about the tremulous code
it is based on quake3 source code is dedicated to public
timbo also coded lots of things for ioquake3 and tremulous
and lots of other people made contributions

True. This is however completely irrelevant to whether the code to a mod should be released to the public.

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they spent hours? days? years?

Years. Many years.

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and all this code belongs to the public

No it does not. If you read the copyright notices in the code, the code belongs to the authors. Remember, IOQ3 and tremulous code are released under the GPL. It is NOT in the public domain.
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