Idiots Guide to Finding Aimbotters

[Lava Croft]

Since this is an open-source game in a free world, you are totally allowed to aimbot, given that the server you play on allows it.

I wonder when the first aimbot-only server launches...

[rapha]

Has anyone watched my demos yet? Did they help?

Can you YouTube them?

[Nux]

I personally have no experience in doing so. If someone else could kindly d/l my demos and do it for me, it would be appreciated. =)

@Lava: Yes, if a server owner permits it then there's no cause for concern as the admins word is gospel. However, in my experience most people who play tremulous want a fair fight and would happily join the lynching party against people who use such cheats.

[Eeeew Spiders]

Actually I and some others proposed in another thread to have an aimbotters paradise server. The only question is who would be willing to set such a server up?

[Metsjeesus]

Goons are extrem hard at humans stage 1. For both sides. Humans cant kill goon, they get 1 hit and ded. Alien dretches cant kill humans, because goon will kill those first. It will get boring very fast. Aimbotters get 100% succesful hit, so there is no chance to miss at corner. As a human, you must camp or die. Welcom to boringville.

[tehOen]

this forum is like a junkyard.

[Nux]

this forum is like a junkyard.

Filled with a million little useful items that you don't have the ingenuity to see as more than junk? Maybe so.

The trouble with a Server called 'Aimbotters come here and play!' is I think that defies the 'point'. I don't think aimbotters generally use them because they want everyone to know they're doing it. I get the impression they want people to think they're not cheating and are actually very good.

[benmachine]

The trouble with a Server called 'Aimbotters come here and play!' is I think that defies the 'point'. I don't think aimbotters generally use them because they want everyone to know they're doing it. I get the impression they want people to think they're not cheating and are actually very good.

You're right. But I'm not an aimbotter, yet I might to want to use one or see if I can code one, to satisfy my curiousity. I would never do this on a normal server because that's just unfair, but if there was an aimbot server I could go to I would be happier with that.

[Nux]

And if someone decides to make one, could they call it 'Hell' please? That would give new meaning to "Go to Hell, Aimbotter!"

[Eeeew Spiders]

The trouble with a Server called 'Aimbotters come here and play!' is I think that defies the 'point'. I don't think aimbotters generally use them because they want everyone to know they're doing it. I get the impression they want people to think they're not cheating and are actually very good.

The initial idea was based on: Most that get caught by their name using an aimbot on non-hell servers have the excuse "I just wanted to try it out to see what it does so I can better detect cheaters".

Hell would make that line obsolete

[Nux]

AimBotz0r: I was trying it out here because I didn't know there was a special server for testing aimbots.

SomeGuy: GO TO HELL!

AimBotz0r: Ok, Thanks! ^^

[Eeeew Spiders]

SomeGuy: No problem, come back when you are done

--- I see your point

[GlobalWarming]

Only one player was in human team and I joined aliens. Everytime I was trying to kill him ... bang! I was killed. I tried almost all my evasive strategies that almost always work, but nothing. He killed me about 10 times and I killed him once. I started to think that I sucked!
I consider myself as a middle-high skilled player, not high, but better than average. I usually don't have any problem taking a human (or more) down with my dretch. So I felt really bad about my self. Then someone that was watching the massacre, told him that he was using aimbot (obviously he denied it).
After reading this thread, I realized he was aimbotting:
1) I hardly reach to him (I always died before even touch him, eventhough I wallwalked, randomly jumped or zigzagged).
2) He didn't wear any shield, and barely moved/jumped.
3) It didn't matter which arm he was using, always the same result/behaviour.

My personal contribuition to this thread is:

If you are new to trem, it would be really difficult to identify if someone else is using aimbot, so...
before accusing someone, get some experience...

[Kaleo]

This is Noob, he uses an aimhack while jettarding in ATCS, then posts a video of it on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjk3kxYV4xk&feature=related

[Lava Croft]

Can we just let the topic of aimbots die? All this talking about cheaters is completely useless. If you do not want to play with or against cheaters, then play on a good server with friends.

[Revan]

About the human raids
Ever rushed into the alien window room in niveus with a luci-suit+nade? if you are lucky you can get the OM.
Also the pulse+batt+lightArmor+helmet combo OWNS when you get on a roll, it in its self is usable as:
   alien base breaker
   last human survival vent camping
   s3 getter
it has to be one of the best combos

[Lava Croft]

About the human raids
Ever rushed into the alien window room in niveus with a luci-suit+nade? if you are lucky you can get the OM.
Also the pulse+batt+lightArmor+helmet combo OWNS when you get on a roll, it in its self is usable as:
   alien base breaker
   last human survival vent camping
   s3 getter
it has to be one of the best combos

I fail to see how this relates to the current thread?

[Dance Commander]

there are some aimbots out there that are designed to not snap to the target.  ive specced a few of these and if your not a very good player yourself, its unlikely youll be able to tell the difference.  honestly, its almost impossible to spot.  trying to spot an aimbotter by his behavior in late game and early game is bullshit.  usually, early game, im just too lazy to walk back to the medpad, and would prefer dying because of low hp or ammo than walking all the way back.  lots of other good people do this as well.  just play on servers where there are 3 to 4 skilled people, and youll probably be fine.  avoid bigger servers.

[Lava Croft]

usually, early game, im just too lazy to walk back to the medpad, and would prefer dying because of low hp or ammo than walking all the way back.  lots of other good people do this as well.

That is just wrong. People like you is what gives the Aliens Stage2 before you can say 'camp'. And I wonder what 'other good people' you refer to, since the 'tactic' you present here is a sure way to lose the game.

[Dance Commander]

stay on topic lava, this is a discussion about how to spot aimbots, not if i give the aliens s2 or not.  i was merely pointing out that looking for an aimbot based on how often someone returns to heal is probably not the best way to spot one.  I have seen other good people stay out with health below 50 and get two or three more kills before dying. sure, they might have a better kill:death ratio if they healed everytime they were below 50, but they dont.  if you havent, we must play on different servers, with different people.

[Nux]

before accusing someone, get some experience...

..or better yet, just spec them.

If there is another bot around that misses occasionally: I haven't seen it. Hopefully there won't be such a bot.

Can we just let the topic of aimbots die? All this talking about cheaters is completely useless. If you do not want to play with or against cheaters, then play on a good server with friends.

We can let it die, and it wouldn't be so terrible if it did. That said, I wouldn't say talking about cheaters is useless. The philosophy that you can always go to your friends on your special servers works well enough for the more well established players, but for new players.. who may very well be THE FUTURE OF TREMULOUS!! ..it's not so helpful.

They might not know there are botters among them. This could make people think the game is unbalanced and make them leave.

They might think there are botters among them when there are not. So long as old trem members are accepting the cheaters and heading to their own private servers, why wouldn't they think that their public servers are overrun with them?

Of course they don't have their own gaming circles and private servers. They're new to the game and getting a damn bad impression of it.

Don't be botter paranoid, but still bear it in mind.

Spotting botters can be fun they're little freak occurrences that you can mess around with. They should be laughed at but not accepted.

..and so is the reason for having a spotter manual. If you're going to look at all, it's best you know what you're looking for.

P.S. Thanks for reviving my thread it revived me too (briefly)

[jit]

hmm... if trem had a little column in  tab (+scores) that said  Deaths , there would be a lot less deaths in this game. People would become stat nazi's and make sure they dont die a lot. Other games have this and people just don't like to die or feed. I know this had nothing to do w/ botters but i just wanted to say that. This could have went under feedback lol.

For finding botters - get an aimbot, play the game using the bot and spec someone. as a spec, you will be able to see through walls and check the "botters" and what they are doing.

[Annihilation]

or, record a demo, and then watch the demo with r_shownormals set to 1.  That way you aren't tempted to use a bot

[tsurano]

Another tell-tale sign is seeing the aim snap to targets that are already dead. This can panic them as they may be in mid-fight and can't stop the bot aiming at the floor. This is because the aimbot still registers that corpse as 'in use' while the dead players is viewing his death before respawning. Non-aimbotters don't have this trouble.

I don't aimbot, never have never will, but I snap to dead bodies, because I trained myself to go to anything that is and alien/looks like an alien.  So what should I do?

[Lava Croft]

stay on topic lava

I merely reply you a statement you posted, a wrong statement. If you do not want a reply to your statements, do not post them.

[blood2.0]

i was going to make a sever like that but port forwarding is to complex for my little brain

[Revan]

i was going to make a sever like that but port forwarding is to complex for my little brain

O_o Lava will rake you over the coals for that

[dachunkinator]

Why not use punkbuster?

[whitebear]

Just a question that popped in mind... (not sure if asked yet)
Is it possible that someone uses "aimbot" that automatically triggers fire when it traces the a player in cursor?

[Survivor]

iirc yes, for ammo saving, but it is very detectable if relied on solely, and if they misfire to hide it they still need to learn to aim to not waste a lot of ammo. Not a very useful bot.