@KobraKaine

[Caveman]

Normaly I would not have posted this.
But the PM I got because I denied you the right to vote-kick innocent players from my server, so you could fight your so called CW...

But thanks to your PM, you have managed what only a few did.
You managed to get both clans banned from the *wraths.

So from this day on, both MMD and TFC are no longer welcome.

From:     KobraKaine
To:    Caveman
Posted:    Thu May 17, 2007 11:36 pm
Subject:    You're a class-A dick.    
I was wondering what dyke would perma-ban me from a server for enforcing the rules on a friendly Clan vs. All war.

I guess it's not really suprising that it was you, since you seem to have a vendetta against {MMD} anyway. Oh well, at least I was on a public computer.

I'm still gonna play your server on other computers, using different name. Cock-sucking asshole.

If you do not get it, let me spell it for you.
YOU do not decide if a *wrath is closed for a CW and YOU do not start a vote-kick so you can have a scrim.

If you had asked we would have given you the public-cw-server, even for free.

[Steely Ann]

He was vote-kicking people off for a clan scrimmage?

That's just profoundly asinine.

Nice PM too.

[Caveman]

Yes he was.
A player named "Tex" connected and joined the game. Before he could join any side a vote-kick was started. With the reason "{MMD}KobraKaine{C}: the clan wanted to play us 3" and "{MMD}KobraKaine{C}: he upset the balance".

[Plague Bringer]

I'm coming here, not to start a flamewar, but to suggest the slightest possibility that caveman edited that PM. The only motive for that is;

since you seem to have a vendetta against {MMD} anyway

Which seems to be true.

Just putting it out there, dont make a "cock-sucking asshole" of yourself by flaming this "innocent" post.

Oh, and may I suggest you do not judge the rest of my clan on the behaviour of one member? Whether that is true or not, {MMD} is a good clan. You haven't even met most of us. That's like banning a subnet because one guy came and deconned once. This is, infact, more lame then Sat-Gnu banning Poland. They met a lot more then one Polish person.

Anyway; your server, your rules.

[KobraKaine]

I'd like to point out a fallacy in your post.  You said he hadn't joined, that is untrue.  He joined playing for the other team.

And he was kicked by a unannimous vote.

[Steely Ann]

A general rule when interacting with the ol' folks: Don't do anything that could be perceived as disrespectful or stupid.

// An exception seems to exist for Smokey, of course.

[KobraKaine]

He was vote-kicking people off for a clan scrimmage?

That's just profoundly asinine.

Nice PM too.

Thanks, you're a doll.  

[Plague Bringer]

Kaine, I'm taking the position of your laywer, and in that position, I'd like to point out your lack of defence towards previous statements. Excuse the defendant, he's just getting his head together. :roll:

[Steely Ann]

Heh.  I'd totally forgotten about the Poland fiasco.  Thanks ye, Plague.

[Plague Bringer]

Just doin' my job, ma'am.

[jit]

hmmm shouldn't this post be in Server's or something. and btw KobraKaine, get a clan server and then scrim there. or choose an empty server. don't use a pub server.

[Lava Croft]

I can only lol at this, lol.

[Steely Ann]

Waaaah!  I want the classic dopefish back!

[janev]

I can only lol at this, lol.

+1

[Lakitu7]

TFC tried this nonsense on our server too. They even had the gall to votekick someone with an {SGA} tag on a server called "SGA server." I have a hard time figuring out how folks can try to tell people that blatantly own the server they're playing on to leave so they can clanwar. Luckily L5 and rcon smites all.

[f0rqu3]

he has vendetta against everyone. that is what V stands for

[player1]

Waaaah!  I want the classic dopefish back!

It still swims on, in our memories...

[kevlarman]

TFC tried this nonsense on our server too. They even had the gall to votekick someone with an {SGA} tag on a server called "SGA server." I have a hard time figuring out how folks can try to tell people that blatantly own the server they're playing on to leave so they can clanwar. Luckily L5 and rcon smites all.

i see your "some idiots tried kicking someone from their own clan server while they were wearing the tag" and raise you a "said idiots were 3 polish people who thought they had business on a U.S. server".

[Caveman]

s/Polish/Canadian in this case.

[Plague]

<3 you Caveman.

As for having a vendetta against MMD.. yeah, so?  If you don't want to be seen in condescension as a clan of morons, stop acting like such on the forums (and, now, in-game apparently.)  What Kobra attempted to do was rude and, frankly, pathetic.

[KobraKaine]

Wow, everybody has a lot of opinions for not having even been there.

We were having a friendly TFC vs. Me/some guy from another clan/some public server player.  This guy Tex joins in on TFC's side.  I started a poll to kick him.  Everyone else on the server voted to kick him as well.

Caveman happened to be at the console at the time, and felt it justified his being an asshole.  Caveman wasn't even in the game, so I couldn't very well ask him to lock the teams for us, now could I?

Plague, your open malice and repeated slander are really starting to annoy me, please grow up.

I would also like to verify that the PM Caveman quoted is word-for-word correct.  However, I think it is of great interest to me that Caveman, as well as Lava and some of my other detractors on this thread always say to "Settle with an admin" outside of the Trem forums.  I did this, and now am ridiculed for it.  You have no right to flame people anymore for openly complaining about admin abuse, because even if they do it in private, some drama queen (that'd be you, Caveman) will eventually pull the whole thing out into the public eye anyway.

PS: I stand 100% behind my statements that Caveman is a "Cocksucking asshole," a "dyke," and a "Class-A dick."

[Caveman]

Wow, everybody has a lot of opinions for not having even been there.

With common sense no one needs to have been there.

We were having a friendly TFC vs. Me/some guy from another clan/some public server player.  This guy Tex joins in on TFC's side.  I started a poll to kick him.  Everyone else on the server voted to kick him as well.

Have no fear, everyone else got the boot, too.

Caveman happened to be at the console at the time, and felt it justified his being an asshole.  Caveman wasn't even in the game, so I couldn't very well ask him to lock the teams for us, now could I?

I happen to be at the console most of the time.
And you conveniently overlook the fact, that you noted several people getting lvl1, so you know that the console was not unattended.
No you could not have asked, right.
And we don't have a bookable CW-Server, right

Plague, your open malice and repeated slander are really starting to annoy me, please grow up.

You like to demand from others what you yourself can't deliver, nice.

Take a step back, and don't fall for the pitfalls that your president is prone to discover.

You come to a house, set up for a party, meet somepeople there and you decide to have the party to yourself and exclude any further visitors.
The houseowner decides to kick you and your buddies out and deny you the privilege to ever come back.
You call that abuse?
Are you really that dense?

Go and ask your English teacher to explain the word "abuse" to you, you might get a small surprise.
I can't abuse something for which I make the rules.

And closing down one of our Public servers just so a scrim can take place is not going to happen.

[Lava Croft]

Caveman, why are you even bothering with this miscreant? Just bewt him, keep him bewted and move on. This kid is not worth all the trouble.

[kevlarman]

We were having a friendly TFC vs. Me/some guy from another clan/some public server player.  This guy Tex joins in on TFC's side.  I started a poll to kick him.  Everyone else on the server voted to kick him as well.

i don't know where you got the idea that it was ok to kick a player trying to play a game on a public server. every single server op i know would have banned you for that as well (and as i mentioned earlier, i have banned people for doing just that)

[Plague]

Plague, your open malice and repeated slander are really starting to annoy me, please grow up.

One day at a time.

[NiTRoX]

Bump
Bump
Bump
No more flaming please
Bump
Bump
Bump

[KobraKaine]

[Lakitu7]

We were having a friendly TFC vs. Me/some guy from another clan/some public server player.  This guy Tex joins in on TFC's side.  I started a poll to kick him.  Everyone else on the server voted to kick him as well.

i don't know where you got the idea that it was ok to kick a player trying to play a game on a public server. every single server op i know would have banned you for that as well (and as i mentioned earlier, i have banned people for doing just that)

It's not bitching. This ^ is the truth.

[Nux]

What the admin says, goes. Though some admins can be reasoned with and some just plain aren't fair, there's little point 'fighting the power'. It's alot easier to simply play on another server.

Vote-kicks are only a temporary measure at best (for when the admins aren't around) and can easily mean the kicking of some innocent player.

KobraKaine chose to make a private attack, and caveman made an open one. Either of them could have shrugged it off, not letting it bother them.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

So that we can all see my writing, I am writing in large font.
Righto, first thing anyways, he probably sent you a PRIVATE message for a reason. Perhaps he didnt envisage it being stuck up on the forums for everyone to laugh at and flame him for. He had reasons for it to be private, otherwise he would create one of these @[personwhoimgonnaflame] topics that really only spiral down to flamewars.

Just my large thoughts. Not trying to start fights here.[/b]

[f0rqu3]

Last warning forque. This was way out of line.
-Survivor
...
how is it out of line PM me please

No discussion.
Images of that nature are not allowed.
Don't edit it in again
-Survivor

edited lol

[Glunnator]

ShadowNinjaDudeMan has my vote of agreement!

[KobraKaine]

What the admin says, goes. Though some admins can be reasoned with and some just plain aren't fair, there's little point 'fighting the power'. It's alot easier to simply play on another server.

Vote-kicks are only a temporary measure at best (for when the admins aren't around) and can easily mean the kicking of some innocent player.

KobraKaine chose to make a private attack, and caveman made an open one. Either of them could have shrugged it off, not letting it bother them.

That's true, and I agree.  If he can catch me again using my new IP and name, he is free to kick me.  Until that time, I'll continue to enjoy the Wrath Servers.  

(Thanks for the support Shadowninja and Glunn)

[tuple]

So that we can all see my writing, I am writing in large font.
Righto, first thing anyways, he probably sent you a PRIVATE message for a reason. Perhaps he didnt envisage it being stuck up on the forums for everyone to laugh at and flame him for. He had reasons for it to be private, otherwise he would create one of these @[personwhoimgonnaflame] topics that really only spiral down to flamewars.

Sorry for going off topic, but I am SOOOOO tired of this.

I should create a stamp, a link that says this.  I'm sooooo tired of explaining it to people who obviously don't get it.


NEVER NEVER NEVER
Post anything anywhere on the internet that you don't want to be very widely disseminated.  This means email, IM, IRC, forums, you name it.  You can bitch and moan all you want about how unfair this or that is, it doesn't change the fact that you sent it out into the world in the first place.  The millisecond you let it go it became something that you have absolutely NO control over.  No amount of bitching or moralizing will change that.

Don't like it? Tough.  Welcome to the internet.  We've been here a while but you're new, so you should watch your step.

[Blade]

Caveman: Anyone who understands what 'public server' means as well as you do, even in the face of these nameless clans screwing around, commands my respect.

[Steely Ann]

You could always link to that post, Tuple.

[NiTRoX]

You could always link to that post, Tuple.

Is it me or is 80% your signature white?

[KobraKaine]

You could always link to that post, Tuple.

Is it me or is 80% your signature white?

Yeah, I see it too.  Why is that?

[tuple]

Steely Ann,

I could, but by the time I use it again, I forget where it is.  Ironically, I'm far too lazy to search for them, but will gladly spend twice as long typing it out.  I will then proceed to complain about the time I've wasted :-P

[KobraKaine]

Hey, this linking stuff is kinda fun...  

//I didn't know Tuple was an actual word!

[Steely Ann]

Damnit, Kaine.  Now you've completely obliterated the mystique his name held for me.  BAST!

As for the "white sig" thing; I'm obviously a racist.  Now get off my lawn, ya animals.  Oh, and Nitrox is apparently +20% the racist I am.  HAX!

[Caveman]

Shadow...

Yes he did send it as a PM, should have been obvious in my quote. Sorry for not making it clearer. So you say it is OK for him to insult me in private on, a open forum without him standing by his words and hide behind PMs?


Glun...

Yes I could have shrugged it of.


The reason why I did went public with that shit is really simple.
I banned 2 clans for that. Sooner or later some whining would have started up, and I was prepared to just let it go.
But you guys know me, as soon as any Moron starts making demands on any server-owner I am the first to hit them, no matter if I like the server or not .)
I just will not stand idle while morons such as this try to behave like they are the world-police, especially not in my house. And "enforcing the rules on a friendly Clan vs. All war" on my Public server is plain stupid.
But it's more stupid imho to think I just swallowhis insults w/o going public.
Any other reply to that PM would have led to a game of ping-pong w/o doing anything. And the next time something happens one of these ping-pong-PMs would have gotten quoted. So its best to bring it out in the open, right in the beginning. This way nothing can be misconstrued. (It was already said here that _Private_ messages are non existent on the net.)

@Kobrkaine
Of course am I free to kick you, it's my server after all.
Heck I don't even need a reason for that.
Once again... MY house, MY rules. _I_ can't abuse _MY_ rules, when _I_ make them.

[KobraKaine]

Damnit, Kaine.  Now you've completely obliterated the mystique his name held for me.  BAST!

As for the "white sig" thing; I'm obviously a racist.  Now get off my lawn, ya animals.  Oh, and Nitrox is apparently +20% the racist I am.  HAX!

Haha, we should start a white supremacy clan...  :eek:

[Steely Ann]

I'm sure it would be really popular with everybody.

[KobraKaine]

No  doubt.  My friend Anansi would kill me, though, cuz he's black as night.  

Klan tag:  |KKK| clan.
Klan name: Krispy Kreme Killers
Located:  My pale white arse

Current Members:
|KKK|Nonexistant
|KKK|Alsononexistant

Klan Leader:
AL Sharpton!!?!!!  What the FUCK?!?!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------

Lolz.  

[kevlarman]

You could always link to that post, Tuple.

if you're gonna link to something, link to the original post that spread across the whole internet instead of going to one person

[David]

No  doubt.  My friend Anansi would kill me, though, cuz he's black as night.  

Klan tag:  |KKK| clan.
Klan name: Krispy Kreme Killers
Located:  My pale white arse

Current Members:
|KKK|Nonexistant
|KKK|Alsononexistant

Klan Leader:
AL Sharpton!!?!!!  What the FUCK?!?!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------

Lolz.  

Talking to your self AGAIN!
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=71278&highlight=#71278

[KobraKaine]

No  doubt.  My friend Anansi would kill me, though, cuz he's black as night.  

Klan tag:  |KKK| clan.
Klan name: Krispy Kreme Killers
Located:  My pale white arse

Current Members:
|KKK|Nonexistant
|KKK|Alsononexistant

Klan Leader:
AL Sharpton!!?!!!  What the FUCK?!?!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------

Lolz.  

Talking to your self AGAIN!
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=71278&highlight=#71278

...Wait, so now I'm Steely Ann too?

Why don't you people TELL me these things?!!!  :-?

@David: Please read farther on in the topic you linked to.

[David]

'My friend Anansi' was the bit I was talking about...

[Yarou]

Threads like these should never be posted in the first place. If you have some sort of drama going on, it should be solved in PM.

[Plague Bringer]

Blah blah blah useless load of bullshit.


@Kobrkaine
Of course am I free to kick you, it's my server after all.
Heck I don't even need a reason for that.
Once again... MY house, MY rules. _I_ can't abuse _MY_ rules, when _I_ make them.

Did you ever read the novel entitled "Animal Farm"?
There's a lot of abuse there.

Shit, have you ever even been to S11.info?

Get a brain before your next post.

kthxbai

[KobraKaine]

Threads like these should never be posted in the first place. If you have some sort of drama going on, it should be solved in PM.

I tried to... Caveman wanted to be a drama queen tho.

It's fine by me, I think it's hilarious anyway!

[player1]

Hey, this linking stuff is kinda fun...  

//I didn't know Tuple was an actual word!

I just learned endianness yesterday!

Oh yeah, on topic:
Kobra, tell Caveman you've learned to be a better clan leader and now regret any former command decisions made in the heat of battle during the early formative minutes of your clan. Then come back in off that window-ledge and let's play some Tremulous. K?

Bringer: It's his server. While we're talking about books, have you ever read any Ayn Rand? (Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, etc.) How about Aldous Huxley? If you like Orwell, you may enjoy these also. (I didn't pull out the Chicago Guide, but I think the name of a novel is italicized). P.S. I realize Kobra's your co-leader or something, but we've been over this before. Vote with your client. Connect where you are welcome. Respect the op/admin, no matter what kind of stuff he does that you don't like. Or play elsewhere. And never press send to anything you don't want everybody to know. Caveman did the right thing. Buy him a virtual beer and let's get on with the business of hunting each other down in dimly lit hallways.

You could always link to that post, Tuple.

if you're gonna link to something, link to the original post that spread across the whole internet instead of going to one person

I LOL'd & LOL'd, thx

[KobraKaine]

Kobra, tell Caveman you've learned to be a better clan leader and now regret any former command decisions made in the heat of battle during the early formative minutes of your clan. Then come back in off that window-ledge and let's play some Tremulous. K?

Bringer: It's his server. While we're talking about books, have you ever read any Ayn Rand? (Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, etc.) How about Aldous Huxley? If you like Orwell, you may enjoy these also. (I didn't pull out the Chicago Guide, but I think the name of a novel is italicized). P.S. I realize Kobra's your co-leader or something, but we've been over this before. Vote with your client. Connect where you are welcome. Respect the op/admin, no matter what kind of stuff he does that you don't like. Or play elsewhere. And never press send to anything you don't want everybody to know. Caveman did the right thing. Buy him a virtual beer and let's get on with the business of hunting each other down in dimly lit hallways.

No, he really didn't do the right thing, but there are very few people of merit that I've seen play Wrath, so I'm cool with staying banned.

As for command decisions and Bringer defending me, you make a null point.  I've resigned from {MMD}.

[player1]

Kobra, tell Caveman you've learned to be a better clan leader and now regret any former command decisions made in the heat of battle during the early formative minutes of your clan. Then come back in off that window-ledge and let's play some Tremulous. K?

Bringer: It's his server. While we're talking about books, have you ever read any Ayn Rand? (Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, etc.) How about Aldous Huxley? If you like Orwell, you may enjoy these also. (I didn't pull out the Chicago Guide, but I think the name of a novel is italicized). P.S. I realize Kobra's your co-leader or something, but we've been over this before. Vote with your client. Connect where you are welcome. Respect the op/admin, no matter what kind of stuff he does that you don't like. Or play elsewhere. And never press send to anything you don't want everybody to know. Caveman did the right thing. Buy him a virtual beer and let's get on with the business of hunting each other down in dimly lit hallways.

No, he really didn't do the right thing, but there are very few people of merit that I've seen play Wrath, so I'm cool with staying banned.

As for command decisions and Bringer defending me, you make a null point.  I've resigned from {MMD}.

drag
well, good luck, anyways
cya 'round t3h smoking turettz

[KobraKaine]

drag
well, good luck, anyways
cya 'round t3h smoking turettz

Hey thanks.  

Hope to see you ingame sometime.
-KobraKaine

[Plague Bringer]

Few thing I'd like to make clear before moving on;

He was MY co-leader. D=

Although Animal Farm was a good novel, I din't enjoy it, and I enjoy it even less every word I type for the essay that's due tomorrow.

[Caveman]

Shit, good luck on that one.

[Plague Bringer]

Thanks, 200 words to go.

Yipee!

¬_¬*

[janev]

well with 1596 posts on this forum spewing out 200 words of bullshit shouldn't be a problem... :roll:

[Plague Bringer]

For the good percent of my post that are constructive, I needn't think because I know what I'm talking about when I help someone. I know what I'm talking about because I like the topic.

For the other good precent of my posts that are not constructive, I needn't think. Spam is mindless.

For an essay, I have to think. Especially when I didn't really enjoy the book.

[Raytray]

I'm pretty sure that kobrakaine had said somewhere in this thread that he was going back on Wraith with another IP and another name.  Then in another post said he didn't care about staying banned because the server's crap.

Err.. what?

1. Don't be a moron.
2. Don't be a moron.
3. Go Caveman!
4. He's actually backing up himself instead having small weak and stupid arguments against the ban.

There is no right and wrong, there is only the law.  The law is set by the owner or superior.  If the Superior doesn't like you, big deal.  There really is nothing you can do.  If the landlord owns your house, obey him or face the mercy of him.  Of course he has to follow the laws set by the Government, this is where the Internet comes in, we are the Internet, beware, stupidity will kill you here.

I think this should be a fitting end to the thread.  With so many off topic linking going around and a couple people telling about how this should not even be posted in the first place.

[PFB]

There is no right and wrong, there is only the love

<3

[Steely Ann]

Awesome.  I manage to completely purge this thread from my memory and Raytray bumps it again.  Ack.

[Shadowgandor]

I love it how people care about being banned from one of the 255 servers availlable,.

[Raytray]

Awesome.  I manage to completely purge this thread from my memory and Raytray bumps it again.  Ack.

I rock.

I remember reading this awhile back and forgot that I never wrote something.

[Evlesoa]

I dont like MMD in the first place, i despise them for their idiocy...

[Plague Bringer]

Wow, that was slightly random.

Grow up, god, no wonder few people like you, you're always trying to start something, whether it's ingame or on the forums.

[player1]

I dont like MMD in the first place, i despise them for their idiocy...

 :eek:  :roll:  :-?

u OMG despise ROFL someone else's LOL idiocy?
how completely ironic...
is this LOL u, or is OMG ur lil bro tryin' to make u look ROFL stupid again?
ZOMFGLOLROFLMAO



       :wink:  

XD 8] ;p

[Lava Croft]

This is getting a bit silly, don't you think?

[kevlarman]

This is getting a bit silly, don't you think?

that's probably the understatement of the year.

[player1]

This is getting a bit silly, don't you think?

that's probably the understatement of the year.

actually, i think that one was...
oh yeh on topic
well, to summarize, kobra left MMD
plague bringer & caveman are cool again
somebody came in late and tried to throw some dirt around
and neither raytray or i can succeed in getting this baby sealed for posterity
just saved you three pages of reading...

[David]

This is getting a bit silly, don't you think?

that's probably the understatement of the year.

You should start an award, most spammy thread of the month, with a ban as the prize.

[KobraKaine]

actually, i think that one was...
oh yeh on topic
well, to summarize, kobra left MMD
plague bringer & caveman are cool again
somebody came in late and tried to throw some dirt around
and neither raytray or i can succeed in getting this baby sealed for posterity
just saved you three pages of reading...

Damn good summary.  

(Minus the Caveman being cool again part...)

[player1]

actually, i think that one was...
oh yeh on topic
well, to summarize, kobra left MMD
plague bringer & caveman are cool again
somebody came in late and tried to throw some dirt around
and neither raytray or i can succeed in getting this baby sealed for posterity
just saved you three pages of reading...

Damn good summary.  

(Minus the Caveman being cool again part...)

as in they get along again
caveman always was cool
in and of himself
and so was bringer
dittoez
sry taht wuz 0v3r ur h34d
glad you enjoyed the wrapup

[KobraKaine]

actually, i think that one was...
oh yeh on topic
well, to summarize, kobra left MMD
plague bringer & caveman are cool again
somebody came in late and tried to throw some dirt around
and neither raytray or i can succeed in getting this baby sealed for posterity
just saved you three pages of reading...

Damn good summary.  

(Minus the Caveman being cool again part...)

as in they get along again
caveman always was cool
in and of himself
and so was bringer
dittoez
sry taht wuz 0v3r ur h34d
glad you enjoyed the wrapup

Sorry, guess I'm a little dense.  

Do you always talk in 1337-speak though?  It's kinda hard to read sometimes...

[player1]

actually, i think that one was...
oh yeh on topic
well, to summarize, kobra left MMD
plague bringer & caveman are cool again
somebody came in late and tried to throw some dirt around
and neither raytray or i can succeed in getting this baby sealed for posterity
just saved you three pages of reading...

Damn good summary.  

(Minus the Caveman being cool again part...)

as in they get along again
caveman always was cool
in and of himself
and so was bringer
dittoez
sry taht wuz 0v3r ur h34d
glad you enjoyed the wrapup

Sorry, guess I'm a little dense.  

Do you always talk in 1337-speak though?  It's kinda hard to read sometimes...

actually according to my friends
it's more like 12 yo AOLsterzorz'l'z
8]
the "they're cool" is a combination of living in hipsterville
and living thru the '70s
(that's the 1970s not MY seventies)
XD