aimbots hacks are standard in AA server

[localhost]

I think there are a lot of hacks in this game and that is why it is dying.  There is this hack called funlily which is easy to set up and it allows an alien to kill at a much larger radius.  Also the intricate pounce feature of the goons are much better with its bind where all you have to do is press one button and yo automatically pounce.  All you have to do is aim and press and you pounce.  

The Aimbot and wall hack feature are pretty good except many players already have these so you are essentially left out if you dont use it.  Except when new players come in they have no clue.  with this hack you can shoot a dretch behind you.  Of if there is an alien behind a wall you can just shoot and the alien will take hits.  Also if you  are an alien you wont need to get as close to the human to kill him. I use to play without hacks but after trying them out i am addicted.  it helps when you are on the AA server.

[Asvarox]

Last time I played AA, it had aliens melee attacks ranges fucked up.

All you have to do is aim and press and you pounce.  

Isn't it same as without an aimbot?

No aimbot will let you magically shoot things behind walls. That's what unlagged does

[CPT. CAMPBELLS]

I think its legitly cool.

[Nux]

I use to play without hacks but after trying them out i am addicted.  it helps when you are on the AA server.

How exactly is using an aimbot addictive? Sounds extremely boring to me.

The Aimbot and wall hack feature are pretty good except many players already have these so you are essentially left out if you dont use it.

How did you come to the conclusion that many players are using cheats? I'm going to guess it involves you losing.

I think there are a lot of hacks in this game and that is why it is dying.

Cheats have been around for ages. Admins have dealt with them for ages. If they didn't kill tremulous in their height I doubt they're any major reason for it's downfall. Besides, even if they were; what's your point? That you're part of the problem?

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

what's your point? That you're part of the problem?

i think what he is saying is that aimbots and wallhacks should be built into trem by default, and that by doing so, the game will magically revive.

i bet the guy aliased here so that no one from aa will rat him out to the server admins....  if they even care.

but i have a related request.

i want someone to make a "game" that just shows demo-style footage of perfect bots fighting each other.  each key is bound to the same function that increments some number by your name.

then, give that to this guy.

[/dev/humancontroller]

How exactly is using an aimbot addictive? Sounds extremely boring to me.

a PROPER(TM) person feels the excitement in accomplishing things, pwning others, and showing off. this explains hacking (breaking into computer systems), as well as aimbotting, flooding, etc..

How did you come to the conclusion that many players are using cheats?

irrelevant; the statement is true with an applicable definition of many (and WRONG with some other).

i think what he is saying is that aimbots and wallhacks should be built into trem by default, and that by doing so, the game will magically revive.

that would shift the required skills to something different, creating a DIFFERENT(TM) game. what's required is proper balance (currently, aimbots pwn the shit out of aliens). this sounds interesting.

[localretard]

I think there are a lot of hacks in this game and that is why it is dying.  There is this hack called funlily which is easy to set up and it allows an alien to kill at a much larger radius.  Also the intricate pounce feature of the goons are much better with its bind where all you have to do is press one button and yo automatically pounce.  All you have to do is aim and press and you pounce.  

The Aimbot and wall hack feature are pretty good except many players already have these so you are essentially left out if you dont use it.  Except when new players come in they have no clue.  with this hack you can shoot a dretch behind you.  Of if there is an alien behind a wall you can just shoot and the alien will take hits.  Also if you  are an alien you wont need to get as close to the human to kill him. I use to play without hacks but after trying them out i am addicted.  it helps when you are on the AA server.

Translation: I suck at Tremulous and get killed way too often. It must be because other people use aimbots and other cheats, not my own ineptitude! Therefore, I'm going to install an aimbot too. But wait, I was banned from the AA server. Looks like I'll go post tremulous.net   See also: Dunning-Kruger effect

How exactly is using an aimbot addictive? Sounds extremely boring to me.

a PROPER(TM) person feels the excitement in accomplishing things, pwning others, and showing off. this explains hacking (breaking into computer systems), as well as aimbotting, flooding, etc..

If by PROPER(TM) you mean lacking excitement(TM) in real life, you've hit the mark. 

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

that would shift the required skills to something different, creating a DIFFERENT(TM) game. what's required is proper balance (currently, aimbots pwn the shit out of aliens). this sounds interesting.

it isnt.  many "modern" popular FPSs have built in "aim correction".  i guess to cater to those idiots who play the tripe on consoles and do not realize that playing a FPS with an analog stick is fucking retarded.

unless you were just talking about a rebalance of alien attacks.  specifically, how pixel perfect you must be in relation to the crosshairs.  that could be interesting.

then again, having some sort of first person, onscreen representation of just where your attacks are going would be almost as good.

also, the word you want is "cracking".  dont perpetuate the misconception and misuse of these words, please.

[/dev/humancontroller]

this sounds interesting.

it isnt.

WRONG.

also, the word you want is "cracking".

WRONG.

[Nux]

a PROPER(TM) person feels the excitement in accomplishing things, pwning others, and showing off. this explains hacking (breaking into computer systems), as well as aimbotting, flooding, etc..

I put it to you that winning a game using cheats is ridiculously easy to accomplish; that cheating against cheats is like rolling dice and that to consider it 'pwning others' is self-delusion. I put it to you that someone who can continue to find excitement in that is very easily pleased. I would also suggest that any sense of accomplishment that such people feel is everything to do with provoking people and causing a nuisance. I can only conclude that a person who enjoys this would equally enjoy a fist to the face.

Note that this has nothing to do with the people who make aimbots. I can completely understand how fun that would be (particularly the more interesting problem of making it hard to detect).

irrelevant; the statement is true with an applicable definition of many (and WRONG with some other).

You will come across the occasional aimbotter but to suggest that they are 'many' is a serious misstatement, if he did intend such a soft usage of the word. I haven't come across a definite case of aimbotting on AA for quite some time. I say 'definite' because any sufficiently advanced use of aimbotting would be indistinguishable from skill. I can only imagine that since localhost has had no firsthand experience of skill, he's less willing to believe that people can play that well without bot assistance.

that would shift the required skills to something different, creating a DIFFERENT(TM) game. what's required is proper balance (currently, aimbots pwn the shit out of aliens). this sounds interesting.

Making it would. Playing it wouldn't. The point was simply that localhost already seems quite happy to watch a game get played for him. He could just as easily do this by watching a recording or staring at a piece of paper that says 'YOU WIN!' on it. In actuality, localhost likes other people to lose and hopefully cry so we would need this game to make him think he's cheating someone other than himself.

[/dev/humancontroller]

How exactly is using an aimbot addictive? Sounds extremely boring to me.

a PROPER(TM) person feels the excitement in accomplishing things, pwning others, and showing off. this explains hacking (breaking into computer systems), as well as aimbotting, flooding, etc..

If by PROPER(TM) you mean lacking excitement(TM) in real life, you've hit the mark. 

WRONG.

a PROPER(TM) person feels the excitement in accomplishing things, pwning others, and showing off. this explains hacking (breaking into computer systems), as well as aimbotting, flooding, etc..

cheating against cheats is like rolling dice and that to consider it 'pwning others' is self-delusion.

cheating against cheats is irrelevant. cheating against want-to-play-fair players is generally pwnage, as your statement shows:

any sense of accomplishment that such people feel is everything to do with provoking people and causing a nuisance.

exactly. this is fully consistent with trolling.

Note that this has nothing to do with the people who make aimbots.

yes it does: it's an accomplishment to play in a way that makes it difficult for others to determine that you're aimbotting.

irrelevant; the statement is true with an applicable definition of many (and WRONG with some other).

You will come across the occasional aimbotter but to suggest that they are 'many' is a serious misstatement, if he did intend such a soft usage of the word.

WRONG.

bold, underlined text is FTW. what's next? italics?

that would shift the required skills to something different, creating a DIFFERENT(TM) game. what's required is proper balance (currently, aimbots pwn the shit out of aliens). this sounds interesting.

Making it would. Playing it wouldn't.

there seems to be some communication failure here. making [a game where aiming skills are not much of a requirement] would [be interesting], while playing that wouldn't be? perhaps: making [balance changes for "all-aimbot" games (for the purpose of calibrating a game mode where aiming skills are not much of a requirement)] would [be interesting], while playing [the result] wouldn't be?

[Flux]

lololol all these plackys in one thread

[Nux]

there seems to be some communication failure here. making [a game where aiming skills are not much of a requirement] would [be interesting], while playing that wouldn't be? perhaps: making [balance changes for "all-aimbot" games (for the purpose of calibrating a game mode where aiming skills are not much of a requirement)] would [be interesting], while playing [the result] wouldn't be?

So long as the result still requires some effort by the player, then the result would be interesting. Pretty straight forward really. You might even expect this to be too obvious to have to point out, and yet here we are talking about how using aimbots could be fun.

it's an accomplishment to play in a way that makes it difficult for others to determine that you're aimbotting.

Surely this depends more on whether the people you're playing with are very aware/give you the benefit of the doubt or not, rather than any great skill on your part. It seems to me the only major factor in getting accused is winning and the only safety from this is having a reputation. Outside of the most blatantly obvious botting, it's largely subjective.

cheating against want-to-play-fair players is generally pwnage ... this is fully consistent with trolling.

This is probably where we differ. You seem to have some sort of respect for this practice. Some of what people have called 'trolling' (the term has changed over time) has been genuinely funny to me, but that's never because of the damage it does. If a person simply causes upset, that's not cool, that's just being a dick. If a 'troll' takes advantage of a person who would assume better of them, then the joke really is on the troll.

[Ingar]

As far as the Official Servers are concerned, it is pretty simple:
Got caught using an aimbot? Receive bans for free!

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

this sounds interesting.

it isnt.

WRONG.

also, the word you want is "cracking".

WRONG.

opinion.  opinion is subjective and cannot be right or wrong.  are we seriously going to go down this path again?

sorry, script-kiddy, the word is "cracking".
 http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/afs-paper/node9.html
 http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cracker.html
 http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/~holder/courses/cse4317/lectures/Bowyer-Chap04.pdf

how you can know anything about programming yet fail to make this distinction is beyond me.  have you by chance been diagnosed somewhere on the autism scale?

[/dev/humancontroller]

opinion is subjective and cannot be right or wrong.  are we seriously going to go down this path again?

in my opinion, if we get an empty bag, then put 1 rock in the bag, and then another one, the bag will contain 3 rocks.

script-kiddy

WRONG.

also, the word you want is "cracking".

WRONG.

the word is "cracking".

that too, but that's irrelevant. the word i want isn't "cracking".

how you can know anything about programming yet fail to make this distinction is beyond me.  have you by chance been diagnosed somewhere on the autism scale?

how you can know anything about writing posts and yet fail to quote others properly is beyond me. have you by chance been diagnosed somewhere on the autism scale?

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

in my opinion, if we get an empty bag, then put 1 rock in the bag, and then another one, the bag will contain 3 rocks.

WRONG.

that too, but that's irrelevant. the word i want isn't "cracking".

how you can know anything about writing posts and yet fail to quote others properly is beyond me. have you by chance been diagnosed somewhere on the autism scale?

sure.  unfortunately you are comparing a tangerine to a grapefruit.  in your example you have formed an opinion about some quantity of a physical object (or objects) that can be physically measured.  your opinion can be proven against fact and shown to be wrong.  now, if you can show me physical evidence, in this case statistical data may also be be used, that my opinion if WRONG, feel free,  until such a time, it stands as does any other opinion of something that cannot be proven, such as "apples taste better than grapes".

you reinforce the popular media misconception, my barb stands as delivered.

hacking == programming y/n?

ive told you before, i do it to get under your skin.  oh, and i'm lazy and i just dont feel like the intricate copypase procedure that you consider to be "properly quoting".  about equally.  you're smart enough to put two and two together, at least.  not like it's hard understanding my response structure.

[Asvarox]

nvm, cant delete

[janev]

words

sure.  unfortunately you are comparing a tangerine to a grapefruit.  iwords

I don't know if grapefruit would agree with your analogy.

[CreatureofHell]

intricate copypase procedure

How to copypase 

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

Last time I played AA, it had aliens melee attacks ranges fucked up.

No aimbot will let you magically shoot things behind walls. That's what unlagged does

I got banned for chomping a guy 'through a wall' in one hit that didn't have a helmet and thinking of my ping on that server, he was probably really far away. The guy who i chomped happened to be the server owner. I reconnected, explained how light armour does not protect the head, i got a mute and spammed 'ta guele' (i think it means 'you cheat', he was speaking half english half french)
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lololol all these plackys in one thread

[/dev/humancontroller]

(quoting the whole out-of-context mess for reference and maximum embarassment.)

in my opinion, if we get an empty bag, then put 1 rock in the bag, and then another one, the bag will contain 3 rocks.

WRONG.

that too, but that's irrelevant. the word i want isn't "cracking".

how you can know anything about writing posts and yet fail to quote others properly is beyond me. have you by chance been diagnosed somewhere on the autism scale?

sure.  unfortunately you are comparing a tangerine to a grapefruit.  in your example you have formed an opinion about some quantity of a physical object (or objects) that can be physically measured.  your opinion can be proven against fact and shown to be wrong.  now, if you can show me physical evidence, in this case statistical data may also be be used, that my opinion if WRONG, feel free,  until such a time, it stands as does any other opinion of something that cannot be proven, such as "apples taste better than grapes".

you reinforce the popular media misconception, my barb stands as delivered.

hacking == programming y/n?

ive told you before, i do it to get under your skin.  oh, and i'm lazy and i just dont feel like the intricate copypase procedure that you consider to be "properly quoting".  about equally.  you're smart enough to put two and two together, at least.  not like it's hard understanding my response structure.

in my opinion, if we get an empty bag, then put 1 rock in the bag, and then another one, the bag will contain 3 rocks.

in your example you have formed an opinion about some quantity of a physical object (or objects) that can be physically measured.  your opinion can be proven against fact and shown to be wrong.  now, if you can show me physical evidence, in this case statistical data may also be be used

statistics show, with a very high confidence level, that your opinions are WRONG.

script-kiddy

WRONG.

you reinforce the popular media misconception

WRONG.

the word i want isn't "cracking".

hacking == programming y/n?

no. hacking is, generally, the use of (often scarcely) available tools to form creative, out-of-the-box, and awesome solutions to "problems". this applies to breaking into computer systems (for the purposes of security analysis or destruction).

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

I don't know if grapefruit would agree with your analogy.

dont care.

statistics show, with a very high confidence level, that your opinions are WRONG.

WRONG.


no. hacking is, generally, the use of (often scarcely) available tools to form creative, out-of-the-box, and awesome solutions to "problems". this applies to breaking into computer systems (for the purposes of security analysis or destruction).

your "out of context mess" does not embarrass me, not everyone shares your level of OCD.

invalid data, unrelated to the subject.  try again.

sorry, you are WRONG, as explained below.

WRONG.  you didnt even look at the jargon file, which i linked.  you persist in mangling the popular (and WRONG) media mis-definition into your own.  in fact, if memory serves, you ripped that definition from wikipedia.  was there anything else, or were you done showing "the world" just how much you dont know what the fuck you're typing about?

[Flux]

ayyy anger

come bring the popcorn someone!

[janev]

I don't know if grapefruit would agree with your analogy.

dont care.

I see, well in that case fuck you in the ass with a wooden spoon until you die.

And as always, have a nice day. 

[CorSair]

ayyy anger

come bring the popcorn someone!

How about cheese snacks?


Anyways, that discussion takes forever, when there are different opinions worldwide. Like this one, opinion as an IT security.

[LuckyCharms]

See also: Dunning-Kruger effect

Hao to give this man an internet?

[/dev/humancontroller]

(quoting the whole out-of-context mess for reference and maximum embarassment.)

statistics show, with a very high confidence level, that your opinions are WRONG.

WRONG.


no. hacking is, generally, the use of (often scarcely) available tools to form creative, out-of-the-box, and awesome solutions to "problems". this applies to breaking into computer systems (for the purposes of security analysis or destruction).

your "out of context mess" does not embarrass me, not everyone shares your level of OCD.

invalid data, unrelated to the subject.  try again.

sorry, you are WRONG, as explained below.

WRONG.  you didnt even look at the jargon file, which i linked.  you persist in mangling the popular (and WRONG) media mis-definition into your own.  in fact, if memory serves, you ripped that definition from wikipedia.  was there anything else, or were you done showing "the world" just how much you dont know what the fuck you're typing about?

(quoting the whole out-of-context mess for reference and maximum embarassment.)

your "out of context mess"

WRONG. (not my mess, yours.)

statistics show, with a very high confidence level, that your opinions are WRONG.

invalid data

WRONG.

you are WRONG

WRONG.

hacking is, generally, the use of (often scarcely) available tools to form creative, out-of-the-box, and awesome solutions to "problems". this applies to breaking into computer systems (for the purposes of security analysis or destruction).

you didnt even look at the jargon file, which i linked.

WRONG.

you persist in mangling the popular (and WRONG) media mis-definition into your own.

WRONG. the definition of "hacker" is more general than "cracker". your misinterpretation of the jargon file, that "hacker" is not usable for "people who break into computer systems" is WRONG.

you ripped that definition from wikipedia.

WRONG.

[Ingar]

Your quote-tower trolling reminds me of two dogs fighting over a piece of poo.

In programming, a hack is a quick, ad-hoc solution that doesn't look nice but works.
"I hacked it together" -> "I mashed it together". Equating hacking to programming is rather undignified: coders don't call themselves hackers.

[LuckyCharms]

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