What eventually should be addressed.

[Ingar]

I tried that once, people went "OMG 60Mb .PK3" Maybe if you didn't use Tgas and more size relevant image formats it wouldn't be 60mbs?

The were PNG originally, I had to convert them to TGA because 1.1 doesn't support PNG.

and now the cold and hard numbers:

Code:

173M    beta1          (vega beta1, unzipped, TGA)
88M     beta1-png      (vega beta1, unzipped, PNG)
60M     beta1.zip      (vega beta1, zipped TGA)
53M     beta1-png.zip  (vega beta1, zipped PNG)

Not as impressive as you'd like to think, isn't it.

@Tremulant: I tried converting them to jpg, didn't like the result.

Porting tremulous to a different engine doesn't exists Lie,

xreal is dead

If you have to rewrite the code and redo all assets, you're basicly making a new game. nope

yes

done click me for picz

I see a lot of unfinished models that can not be used as-is.

[vcxzet]

>xreal is dead
I lol'd ... unexpected comment from a tremulous dev

[Ingar]

test

I made a post and the forum ate it.

(I'm not kidding, oh the irony)

edit: vcxzet found it, so it must be there

[vcxzet]

test

I made a post and the forum ate it.

(I'm not kidding, oh the irony)

edit: vcxzet found it, so it must be there

yes it was invisible in the thread (it was visible in recent posts) but I didn't miss the opportunity

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

I see a lot of unfinished models that can not be used as-is.

the thing that stands out to me is how ugly the aliens are.  not the modelwork, that is good, but the basic concepts are aweful.  especially the basi and rant.

then again, what i've seen of the 1.2 alien models are ugly as well.  again, good modeling, but the concepts are "all wrong" and look to be done with no knowledge of anatomy. for example, mara claw should not have tendon and muscle anchors.  rand and goon arms are done wrong as well.  not the claw, but the arm.  assuming the aliens have exoskeletons, the way that the arms of those two classes are made of american football-shaped segments does not work at all.  for reference see -

http://www.kingsnake.com/westindian/proarnahilaris2.JPG
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/3989528754_7c9fa33039.jpg
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2005/images/fiddler_crab.jpg

and technically, the goon should have larger rear legs, considering its jumping ability.

yea yea, i know realism in video games compounded with the fact that this post is on topic by implication only, i just needed to get that off my chest.

[CreatureofHell]

I see a lot of unfinished models that can not be used as-is.

the thing that stands out to me is how ugly the aliens are.  not the modelwork, that is good, but the basic concepts are aweful.  especially the basi and rant.

then again, what i've seen of the 1.2 alien models are ugly as well.  again, good modeling, but the concepts are "all wrong" and look to be done with no knowledge of anatomy. for example, mara claw should not have tendon and muscle anchors.  rand and goon arms are done wrong as well.  not the claw, but the arm.  assuming the aliens have exoskeletons, the way that the arms of those two classes are made of american football-shaped segments does not work at all.  for reference see -

http://www.kingsnake.com/westindian/proarnahilaris2.JPG
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/3989528754_7c9fa33039.jpg
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2005/images/fiddler_crab.jpg

and technically, the goon should have larger rear legs, considering its jumping ability.

yea yea, i know realism in video games compounded with the fact that this post is on topic by implication only, i just needed to get that off my chest.

Does anyone have knowledge of alien anatomy? Please point them out to me.

[Nux]

http://www.kingsnake.com/westindian/proarnahilaris2.JPG

Grangers exist! Photographic evidence!

the basic concepts are aweful.  especially the basi and...

Stop right there! Friend basi is not only my friend, but has a great design END OF SENTENCE.

...unless you really did mean 'aweful'.

The tyrant, on the other hand, has always looked weird to me.

[Volt]

I see a lot of unfinished models that can not be used as-is.

the thing that stands out to me is how ugly the aliens are.  not the modelwork, that is good, but the basic concepts are aweful.  especially the basi and rant.

then again, what i've seen of the 1.2 alien models are ugly as well.  again, good modeling, but the concepts are "all wrong" and look to be done with no knowledge of anatomy. for example, mara claw should not have tendon and muscle anchors.  rand and goon arms are done wrong as well.  not the claw, but the arm.  assuming the aliens have exoskeletons, the way that the arms of those two classes are made of american football-shaped segments does not work at all.  for reference see -

http://www.kingsnake.com/westindian/proarnahilaris2.JPG
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/3989528754_7c9fa33039.jpg
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2005/images/fiddler_crab.jpg

and technically, the goon should have larger rear legs, considering its jumping ability.

yea yea, i know realism in video games compounded with the fact that this post is on topic by implication only, i just needed to get that off my chest.

Does anyone have knowledge of alien anatomy? Please point them out to me.

I lol'd hard!!!!!!!!!! hahahahaahahahahahaha "Does anyone have knowledge of alien anatomy?

That has to be the best instant own I've seen on these forums in a while!

Volt has done well, we just need to incorporate some patches into trem to bring it up to speed.
Bump mapping or the like would be nice.
I'm not competent enough to do so, but a couple patches would be nice then we can fix the assets and have stuff work accordingly.
Volt, as extremely competent as you are.... if you need help let me know
Perhaps there are things I can do to help you accelerate your grand plan.
I have some experience animating, mostly simplistic stuff(basic character animation) and I've kept it on the shelf for a few year.
But I think I could do all the walk-cycles and whatnot, plus I have a friend who worked with Dreamworks who could help me out worst case.
However I don't know what your goal is, hopefully it's not a totally different game.

Hit me up on IRC server freenode channel #voltdev

[/dev/humancontroller]

read the top 7 zombie survival tips and some more zombie survival tips, in case real^TROLOLOLOLO zombie outbreaks happen.

[vcxzet]

[A Spork]

hhhhhhhhhhh

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

and technically, the goon should have larger rear legs, considering its jumping ability.

The current models show that the goons pounce with their front legs by rapidly swinging backwards.

[StevenM]

I see a lot of unfinished models that can not be used as-is.

the thing that stands out to me is how ugly the aliens are.  not the modelwork, that is good, but the basic concepts are aweful.  especially the basi and rant.

then again, what i've seen of the 1.2 alien models are ugly as well.  again, good modeling, but the concepts are "all wrong" and look to be done with no knowledge of anatomy. for example, mara claw should not have tendon and muscle anchors.  rand and goon arms are done wrong as well.  not the claw, but the arm.  assuming the aliens have exoskeletons, the way that the arms of those two classes are made of american football-shaped segments does not work at all.  for reference see -

http://www.kingsnake.com/westindian/proarnahilaris2.JPG
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/3989528754_7c9fa33039.jpg
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2005/images/fiddler_crab.jpg

and technically, the goon should have larger rear legs, considering its jumping ability.

yea yea, i know realism in video games compounded with the fact that this post is on topic by implication only, i just needed to get that off my chest.

I think you're just afraid of change. I personally like a majority of the concepts, generally it seems as though tremz is going to be dark and edgy. None of this low quality cartoon bullshit. A good analogy is Chris Nolan's Batman vs. all the other ones. Me likey.

[CreatureofHell]

generally it seems as though tremz is going to be dark and edgy.

Red lipstick dretch would beg to differ.

[StevenM]

generally it seems as though tremz is going to be dark and edgy.

Red lipstick dretch would beg to differ.

hah yeah. i spoke to volt about that actually, funny you should mention it.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

I think you're just afraid of change. I personally like a majority of the concepts, generally it seems as though tremz is going to be dark and edgy. None of this low quality cartoon bullshit. A good analogy is Chris Nolan's Batman vs. all the other ones. Me likey.

i am not afraid of change.  i hate anthropomorphic elements on almost any fictional alien.  the thing i dislike the most is the faces.  the rant in particular looks like an overgrown tyranid gaunt.  i kind of like the dretch, though it is a little leggy.

i also hated the new batman films.  i'd describe how, but i dont want to offend any homosexuals that might read this post with my choice of terminology for those movies.

The current models show that the goons pounce with their front legs by rapidly swinging backwards.

which makes about as much sense as floor-dretch headbites.  you just cant get the kind of leverage you need to pounce like a goon with a forward mounted jumping apparatus.  the only hopping arthropods i am aware of that do not have overdeveloped rear legs are "clicker beetles" that do it by slamming their head into the ground.  i think it would be more believable if the goon had slightly larger hind legs, and jumped by pulling these legs forward and up under the body, the goon bending kind of like a bee does when it tries to sting.

that's just my opinion of it.  i like a bit of realism is all.  not too much mind you, that's not fun, but enough to make it seem authentic.  it's like avoiding having cars spontaneously explode when wrecked in a film.

edit, i was mixing supposid 1.2 new models up with tremz. bar the dretch.

i do not like tremz's basi: torso is too human-like, goon: no leg specialization at all last concept and the headshield is a turn off, tyrant:  last concept looked too "friendly" first concept seems very forward-heavy chest is too broad and slashing arms are too short.

i do like tremz's dretch, granger, and new mara (not first mara concept.  new mara might have his spikes toned down just a little.

to be honest it's hard to tell what's recent in the devshots of tremz.  if that untextured alien that recently showed up is a goon, that is terrible... if it is a basi as the concept suggests.... damn do i hate those plucked chicken concept designs, well drawn as they were.

i am sure that the choppers are for 1.2, and that was my original point.

sorry for the mixup.

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

funny though how everyone thinks TremZ's models are meant for 1.2.

[rotacak]

I am the only one who think that remaking models is nonsense? Its good, that someone doing something, but why remaking models? They will be never better than original, because original models are very beautifull (on all sides: model, animation, textures...) and suit the game.

I think, that better is to improve other things, like engine, gameplay, another possibilities, another weapons, buildings, more polygons on models etc. Remaking something what is already done is waste of time.

Similar thing happen with tremfusion. Author spent many hours on that and result is? Transparent console and some client commands. It will increased gameplay? Not at all. It will make game more liked by spammers with colorfull nonsense binds or chats, more cheaters appear (if health < 50 then use medikit) and that is all.

I don't understand it.

[/dev/humancontroller]

I am the only one who think that remaking models is nonsense? Its good, that someone doing something, but why remaking models? They will be never better than original, because original models are very beautifull (on all sides: model, animation, textures...) and suit the game.

I think, that better is to improve other things, like engine, gameplay, another possibilities, another weapons, buildings, more polygons on models etc. Remaking something what is already done is waste of time.

Similar thing happen with tremfusion. Author spent many hours on that and result is? Transparent console and some client commands. It will increased gameplay? Not at all. It will make game more liked by spammers with colorfull nonsense binds or chats, more cheaters appear (if health < 50 then use medikit) and that is all.

TremFusion was an engine improvement fork of Tremulous, specializing in bugfixes and perfection in some areas of the engine. such forks are appealing to powerusers; but powerusers are few, so few honor the excellence of TremFusion. the icculus.org code repository for Tremulous had also contained a lot of bugfixes and minor improvements that had accumulated over time, but not as much as in the TremFusion's code repository: the TremFusion team kept merging all the all of the improvements from the icculus.org repository. so TremFusion was a strict improvement of Tremulous. but at some point the main developer of TremFusion stopped developing, and noone else picked up his work.

again, TremFusion did not repeat any work.

[Volt]

I am the only one who think that remaking models is nonsense? Its good, that someone doing something, but why remaking models? They will be never better than original, because original models are very beautifull (on all sides: model, animation, textures...) and suit the game. Personal opinion not a fact. Here is some logic for ya, model format is old game models are even older they're way overdue for an update

I think, that better is to improve other things, like engine, gameplay, another possibilities, another weapons, buildings, more polygons on models etc.Couldn't agree with you more, we're also doing that. Remaking something what is already done is waste of time.

Similar thing happen with tremfusion. We are not tremfusion, we have different goals and ambitions.Author spent many hours on that and result is? Transparent console and some client commands. It will increased gameplay? Not at all. It will make game more liked by spammers with colorfull nonsense binds or chats, more cheaters appear (if health < 50 then use medikit) and that is all.
You really haven't looked into the many tremfusion branches and what kind of stuff they were doing. If you think client with transparency and scripting commands was all that they were doing you got another thing coming.

TL:DR Person obviously doesn't know anything about what he speaks about, additionally should stick to what is in his siganture.

TremFusion was an engine improvement fork of Tremulous, specializing in bugfixes and perfection in some areas of the engine. such forks are appealing to powerusers; but powerusers are few, so few honor the excellence of TremFusion.

Couldn't agree more.

i am not afraid of change.  i hate anthropomorphic elements on almost any fictional alien.  the thing i dislike the most is the faces.  the rant in particular looks like an overgrown tyranid gaunt.  i kind of like the dretch, though it is a little leggy.That is a valid opinion if you don't like the aliens and feel that they're not done correctly please feel free to do your own.

i also hated the new batman films.  i'd describe how, but i dont want to offend any homosexuals that might read this post with my choice of terminology for those movies. Relevant how?

The current models show that the goons pounce with their front legs by rapidly swinging backwards.

which makes about as much sense as floor-dretch headbites.  you just cant get the kind of leverage you need to pounce like a goon with a forward mounted jumping apparatus.  the only hopping arthropods i am aware of that do not have overdeveloped rear legs are "clicker beetles" that do it by slamming their head into the ground.  i think it would be more believable if the goon had slightly larger hind legs, and jumped by pulling these legs forward and up under the body, the goon bending kind of like a bee does when it tries to sting. Someone spends too much time day dreaming about what they believe real *tremulous* aliens should be like.

that's just my opinion of it.  i like a bit of realism is all.  not too much mind you, that's not fun, but enough to make it seem authentic.  it's like avoiding having cars spontaneously explode when wrecked in a film.

edit, i was mixing supposid 1.2 new models up with tremz. bar the dretch.

i do not like tremz's basi: torso is too human-like, goon: no leg specialization at all last concept and the headshield is a turn off, tyrant:  last concept looked too "friendly" first concept seems very forward-heavy chest is too broad and slashing arms are too short.

i do like tremz's dretch, granger, and new mara (not first mara concept.  new mara might have his spikes toned down just a little.

to be honest it's hard to tell what's recent in the devshots of tremz.  if that untextured alien that recently showed up is a goon, that is terrible... if it is a basi as the concept suggests.... damn do i hate those plucked chicken concept designs, well drawn as they were.

i am sure that the choppers are for 1.2, and that was my original point.

sorry for the mixup.

TL:DR Person has a complex mental disorder that makes him believe that he knows alien anatomy, additionally he believes that he understands the anatomy of aliens in a project he isn't involved in. *GIGGLES*

 I believe a proper Ingar quote is in order in regards to ULTRA Random ViruS

Assemble your team, write a project roadmap, and start doing stuff.

This is primarily the kind of shenanigans that lead to us asking for the tremz related topics to be locked. You know where to find us on IRC if you have questions hit us up there.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

This is primarily the kind of shenanigans that lead to us asking for the tremz related topics to be locked.

primarily because of posts like yours.

labeling me mas mentally defective for my opinion speaks very ill of you, i think.

as i was saying, real life anatomical references are useful for fictional creature design

so think on that a little bit before insulting me for criticizing the artwork.

[Tremulant]

labeling me mas mentally defective for my opinion speaks very ill of you, i think.

I'm not sure volt's alone in feeling there may be something not quite right about you...

[CorSair]

...additionally he believes that he understands the anatomy of aliens in a project he isn't involved in. *GIGGLES*

This is primarily the kind of shenanigans that lead to us asking for the tremz related topics to be locked.

If you didn't catch these, then even I would question your mental stability too.

If I would start to make alien models, I would worry first of the concept, then modeling and texturing, and after that, I probably think how alien body works... Or not.

Besides, it is all about science fiction, man, chill out.

[rotacak]

I am the only one who think that remaking models is nonsense? Its good, that someone doing something, but why remaking models? They will be never better than original, because original models are very beautifull (on all sides: model, animation, textures...) and suit the game. Personal opinion not a fact. Here is some logic for ya, model format is old game models are even older they're way overdue for an update

I think, that better is to improve other things, like engine, gameplay, another possibilities, another weapons, buildings, more polygons on models etc.Couldn't agree with you more, we're also doing that. Remaking something what is already done is waste of time.

Similar thing happen with tremfusion. We are not tremfusion, we have different goals and ambitions.Author spent many hours on that and result is? Transparent console and some client commands. It will increased gameplay? Not at all. It will make game more liked by spammers with colorfull nonsense binds or chats, more cheaters appear (if health < 50 then use medikit) and that is all.
You really haven't looked into the many tremfusion branches and what kind of stuff they were doing. If you think client with transparency and scripting commands was all that they were doing you got another thing coming.

TL:DR Person obviously doesn't know anything about what he speaks about, additionally should stick to what is in his siganture.

True, I don't know anything. I wish you to make better new granger :-)

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

If I would start to make alien models, I would worry first of the concept, then modeling and texturing, and after that, I probably think how alien body works... Or not.

your design process is backwards as fuck.  "how the body works" is what the concept should be dealing with, not an afterthought.  did you not click any of those links?  they explain how professionals design creatures.  wasn't a more "commercial feel" one of the goals of tremz?

I'm not sure volt's alone in feeling there may be something not quite right about you...

oh no!  internet people done think well of me!  brb /wrists.

as i said, thinking ill of me for opinion speaks more on you than it does me.

dislike and disagree with my opinion all day, it makes no matter; but extending that to my person, that's just petty yo.

[Repatition]

Well obviously I made it to the Tremulous.net forums! We have got to be one of the most dysfunctional groups on the web. Good this we all love the game or this wouldn't last a minute.

[Tremulant]

as i said, thinking ill of me for opinion speaks more on you than it does me.

It's not so much the opinion itself as the way it's delivered, over and over, without it ever having been asked for...

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

It's not so much the opinion itself as the way it's delivered, over and over, without it ever having been asked for...

posting material publicly is inviting comment.

[c4]

Have you really not realized that nobody values your opinion, RAKNinja?  You ONLY play aliens, you aren't very skilled, and quite honestly, you have no authority whatsoever when it comes to TremZ, so when you come marching in here, saying "Hello guys, you should most certainly take my advice, or else"  People aren't really going to take it well.  I suggest you logout of your trem.net account and resist the urge from posting for a while.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Have you really not realized that nobody values your opinion, RAKNinja?  You ONLY play aliens, you aren't very skilled, and quite honestly, you have no authority whatsoever when it comes to TremZ, so when you come marching in here, saying "Hello guys, you should most certainly take my advice, or else"  People aren't really going to take it well.  I suggest you logout of your trem.net account and resist the urge from posting for a while.

have you not realized by now that i honestly do not care about the opinion that internet people have of me?

never once did i even imply that my opinion should be followed "or else".

what i play, and how well i play it, have no impact on criticism about the art.

tremz claims to have a more open minded development philosophy  than mainline trem.  i would assume this extends to at least listening to criticism of assets posted publicly.

my suggestion to you is that you take some time to learn how to actually comprehend what you read.