Will it be a good Idea if the developers build in a better Physics Engine?

[MartinX3]

Would you like the Idea if the developers build in Havok http://software.intel.com/sites/havok/ or PhysX http://developer.nvidia.com/object/physx_downloads.html or another nice Physic Engine (Please write the name in your post if you know one)
The features are destructable Objects/Environment, more Challenge in maps, Map Developer can build in MORE Ideas because more shit is possible like more realistic Traps and MORE Traps.
Or the developers could build in a Gravity Gun like the one in Half Life 2 and shoot garbage against aliens or other things that lie on the map.
Please remember. In the Future will ATI have a same thing like CUDA in the Nvidea card. ATI will it build in in the new HD 5xxx series with DX 11 and Pxel Shader 5.0. (Only for PhysX !!!!!!)
For Havok there is since 2006 Havok FX. You don't need Cuda or shit like this. You don't need to buy a new Graficcard. Your Graphiccard only need Pixel Shader 3.0. (build in since Nvidea Geforce 6 and 7 series and since the ATI X1000 series) With Pixel Shader 3.0 and Havok FX will make your graphics card do the physics calculations and not your processor.

Remember for Physx you need a PhysX card or a Nvidea Card with cuda or your CPU will make the calculations (But Dual Core 2.4 GHz is enough i think) but PhysX has more features and you need to install the PhysX driver.
For Havok you don't need to install a driver oder use a Physics Card or a Graphiccard from Nvidea you only need a Graphiccard with Pixel Shader 3.0 or your CPU will do the calculations (Dualcore 2.0 GHz is enough i think)

And the best thing is that the SDK's from Havok and PysX are FREE!

/Edit:
Here a Physic Test with PhysX. You will see it ahs more features than Havok but Havok is better for slower PC's.

PhysX Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XL2dZTozJM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JtAdTon0JA&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF7Iq9pzKRk&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxN5h1KRLQ&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AnWw3F4sOA&feature=related

Havok Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bKphYfUk-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ0HNHO5Uik&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV7gpRhy4Eo&feature=related

Octave Engnie Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyDcAyIPaXA&feature=fvw

Prometech Engine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRQidO_YX2w&feature=channel

And the Open Tool Kit which includes OpenCL is for free too.
http://www.opentk.com/
With openCL EVERY Graphiccard calculate Physics!!!
The OpenTK includes OpenAL, OpenGL and OpenCL.
It is for free and open source of course. ^^

Bullet Engine
This Physic Engine is for free and open source.
http://www.bulletphysics.com

I am currently working on adding bullet (http://code.google.com/p/bullet/) to Tremfusion. Of course, it won't be compatible with Tremulous 1.1. I chose to use bullet because, as Asvarox said, we can't use Havok or PhysX because they are closed source, and thus incompatible with the GPL. Also, bullet is very close in features and performance behind Havok, which makes it the best open source physics engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cims9Yhrtz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gpcCWKyrGA&feature=related

[PureNoob]

blah blah... phycis engine... blah blah gravity gun... blah blah... But Dual Core 2.4 GHz is enough i think... blah blah...

[MartinX3]

for PhysX without Cuda Graphiccard with CUDA Dualcore with 2.4 GHz would be enough.
With the Havok Engine you only need less than 2 GHz dualcore when you have NO graphiccard with Pixelshader 3.0.
But a Grahpiccard with Pxel Shader 3.0 today cost (as example the ATI X 1500) only 14-16 $.

[Asvarox]

I believe Dual Core 2.4 doesn't cost 14-16$. Also, Amanieu said that GPL prevents us from using closed source libraries.
http://amanieu.homelinux.com/ideatorrent/idea/2/

[CreatureofHell]

Tremulous is Tremulous, there isn't much point in changing that.

[MartinX3]

I believe Dual Core 2.4 doesn't cost 14-16$. Also, Amanieu said that GPL prevents us from using closed source libraries.
http://amanieu.homelinux.com/ideatorrent/idea/2/

I meaned not the CPU i meaned a Graphic Card with Pixel Shader 3.0 and named as example the ATI X 1500
It has Pixel Shader 3.0 and is also supportet by Havok FX as Physic Calculator.
THIS card cost 14-20€

And OpenCL IS open source.

[gimhael]

OpenCL is an API, just like OpenGL. There may be open source or closed source implementations in the future.

The GPL doesn't prohibit linking to closed source libraries that are more or less part of your OS, or we couldn't calll the NVidia OpenGL implementation from Tremulous. So using OpenCL should be possible.

However OpenCL is not a Physics engine, it is an interface to the raw compute power contained in current GPUs. When you want a Physics simulation, then you have to implement all the math yourself.

I think before you ask people about which engine should be used, you should ask what this engine should do within the game. Only physically correct animation of some map elements ? Or physically correct movement and collisions ?

[Amanieu]

I am currently working on adding bullet (http://code.google.com/p/bullet/) to Tremfusion. Of course, it won't be compatible with Tremulous 1.1. I chose to use bullet because, as Asvarox said, we can't use Havok or PhysX because they are closed source, and thus incompatible with the GPL. Also, bullet is very close in features and performance behind Havok, which makes it the best open source physics engine.

[MartinX3]

I read somethnig on this side

Optimized back-ends with multi-threaded support for Playstation 3 Cell SPU, CUDA, OpenCL and other platforms

Then we can use OpenCL to make it possible that our Graphiccards calculate the Physics Engine "Bullet"?

And Amanieu.
Your Idea is great.
A Physics Engine like Bullet, Havok or Physics would make better game experience.
I which your many luck that your trying to add bullet to tremulous will success

[your face]

plis prt tremaeulis to cryseis

[MartinX3]

Sorry but to have the same graphic effects like in Crysis we need years or a VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY big community.

[Baconizer]

Sorry but to have the same graphic effects like in Crysis we need years or a VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY big community.

lol

As well as ....

Have a good day sir, I truly mean it.

[MartinX3]

drunken?
it is better when you quote his post

plis prt tremaeulis to cryseis

he want it not me ^^
A graphic like Quake 4 is enough for me ^^

[borsuk]

It would be even better if the topic starter submitted a patch with a better physics engine !

[Baconizer]

drunken?
it is better when you quote his post

plis prt tremaeulis to cryseis

he want it not me ^^
A graphic like Quake 4 is enough for me ^^

OH GAH IT HURTS

[MartinX3]

It would be even better if the topic starter submitted a patch with a better physics engine !

I ask the people if it would be a good idea to add to the game a better physic engine and which engine.
And why i should start to integrate a Physic engine into the game.
Amanieu said he will do it in tremfusion.

A new physic engine would be great for the planed single player campaign.
There will be more possiblities to amke it better like destructable walls.
It will give more "brain" quests.

[Thorn]

Destructible walls are more than possible with a few well placed animated models and sounds. I don't see how a physics engine is going to help a few brushes dissapear better

[kevlarman]

there is no planned single player campaign.

[A Spork]

^^For Tremfusion I believe there is plans for that actually

[David]

Last I checked this was the Tremulous forums where we discuss Tremulous.
If you really must talk about other games here, then maybe you should say instead of leaving us to guess?

[MartinX3]

Last I checked this was the Tremulous forums where we discuss Tremulous.
If you really must talk about other games here, then maybe you should say instead of leaving us to guess?

Tremfusion is NOT another game. ^^
TRemfusion is a CLIENT for Tremulous like the Mercenariesguild Client.

[Plague Bringer]

Last I checked this was the Tremulous forums where we discuss Tremulous.
If you really must talk about other games here, then maybe you should say instead of leaving us to guess?

Tremfusion is NOT another game. ^^
TRemfusion is a CLIENT for Tremulous like the Mercenariesguild Client.

David, being one of the asshole dev supporters on Tremulous, seems obligated to bash Tremfusion because it's probably offering gameplay differences and fun and features in general that will draw attention away from the myth of 1.2.

[David]

I dislike TF because they use underhand tactics to try and stop people leaving their client, have repeatedly lied to this community, and have a stated aim to steal tremulous players and then break compatibility.
And of course we are way off-topic now 

[{7}wrath]

Wow, you're making them sound like Scientologists or something 

[MartinX3]

David.
I think you're paranoid.

[your face]

I dislike TF because they use underhand tactics to try and stop people leaving their client, have repeatedly lied to this community, and have a stated aim to steal tremulous players and then break compatibility.
And of course we are way off-topic now  

No, YOU are way off-topic now.

Wait a sec, I don't think this topic is meant for being on-topic in. 

[kevlarman]

Last I checked this was the Tremulous forums where we discuss Tremulous.
If you really must talk about other games here, then maybe you should say instead of leaving us to guess?

Tremfusion is NOT another game. ^^
TRemfusion is a CLIENT for Tremulous like the Mercenariesguild Client.

tremfusion's developers have stated that it is a fork, not a tremulous client.

[Archangel]

they have multiple things. their overall project is yes, a fork, but a tremulous compatible branch does exist.

[MartinX3]

What do you mean  with it is a fork?
When i translate it in german it is weird for me.

[mooseberry]

They will spoon into frosty tremfusion flakes.